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Post by sentinel on Mar 17, 2014 14:45:36 GMT 10
Here is the first youtube video on AGENDA 21 - think about what is said and have you seen these changes - I have.
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Post by pheniox17 on Mar 17, 2014 15:26:03 GMT 10
qld - vlad act...
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Post by sentinel on Mar 17, 2014 15:39:34 GMT 10
Yes - Prime example. I was looking for the relevant info on this - that could take some time - I had a substantial amount of links and articles sent to me that I haven't had a chance to go through, but when I do I will post them.
Meantime here is the second video on the subject of AGENDA 21 (Not the one I had to post originally, as it is no longer accessible - it would be somewhere - just not for easy access for me ATM - so here is one with Lord Mockton addressing a forum in Wagga Wagga on 23rd Feb 2013.
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Post by saalian on Mar 17, 2014 23:43:26 GMT 10
What a load of bs. Lord Monckton, who by the way isn'ta lord, had about as much credit as the last thing i flushed down the toilet. I suggest if you want anyone to tale you semi-serious that you stay well clear of anything that involves him. Fox news and A Current Affair are more credible.
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Post by saalian on Mar 17, 2014 23:50:38 GMT 10
Your best arguments would be show examples in Australia where the agenda has directly impacted our lives in a negative way, as the agenda has been ratified for decades here
To control our property the first step would be reestablish state banks that provide mortgages. However in the past this was done to keep loans low (improve affordability of owning a home) and to raise revenue for the state. Now they simply increase stamp duty to get their piece of the pie
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Post by pheniox17 on Mar 18, 2014 0:06:32 GMT 10
give a credible reply to disprove agenda 21??
fact or fiction, the world is heading for a single government...
but wtf is the club of Rome??
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Post by sentinel on Mar 18, 2014 6:18:02 GMT 10
What a load of bs. Lord Monckton, who by the way isn'ta lord, had about as much credit as the last thing i flushed down the toilet. I suggest if you want anyone to tale you semi-serious that you stay well clear of anything that involves him. Fox news and A Current Affair are more credible. Sent from my GT-S7500T using Tapatalk 2 Your choice - we are in a free country to think what we want.
Can you show me evidence that AGENDA 21 is not real?
Christopher Monckton, 3rd Viscount Monckton of Brenchley
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Monckton,_3rd_Viscount_Monckton_of_Brenchley
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Christopher Walter Monckton, 3rd Viscount Monckton of Brenchley, SMOM (born 14 February 1952) is a British public speaker[1] and hereditary peer. He is known for his work as a journalist, Conservative political advisor, UKIP political candidate and for his invention of the mathematical puzzle Eternity.[2]
Early on in his public speaking career topics centred on his mathematical puzzle and conservative politics.[1] In recent years his public speaking has garnered attention due to controversial views on climate change,[3][4][5][6] the European Union[7] and social policy.
Monckton is the eldest son of Major-General Gilbert Monckton, 2nd Viscount Monckton of Brenchley, SMOM (1915–2006), and Marianna Letitia (nee Bower), former High Sheriff of Kent, SMOM (born 1929). He has three brothers, Timothy, Jonathan and Anthony and a sister, Rosa, wife of journalist Dominic Lawson.
(Link above gives full account).
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Post by myrrph on Mar 18, 2014 11:13:19 GMT 10
taken from Wikipedia en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agenda_21Agenda 21 is a legally non-binding statement of intent and not a treaty Agenda 21 exists but its not as terrible as you make it sound. For those of you who don't wanna pop over to the wiki Agenda 21 is a non-binding, voluntarily implemented action plan of the United Nations with regard to sustainable development.[1] It is a product of the UN Conference on Environment and Development (UNCED) held in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, in 1992. It is an action agenda for the UN, other multilateral organizations, and individual governments around the world that can be executed at local, national, and global levels. The "21" in Agenda 21 refers to the 21st Century. It has been affirmed and modified at subsequent UN conferences.
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Post by saalian on Mar 18, 2014 22:03:06 GMT 10
Agenda 21 is real there is no denying that, however the claims made have no credit. As i said it has been ratified here for decades, surely we should be seeing some evidence now?
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Post by pheniox17 on Mar 18, 2014 23:57:50 GMT 10
I assume you have heard about the frog in boiling water story
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Post by SA Hunter on Mar 19, 2014 9:15:48 GMT 10
14 years to boil a frog??? Now, just my 2 bobs worth - ever since I can remember, there have always been conspiracy theories - one I recall in the 70s was that the Bankcard was the means to implement us all having bar codes stamped on our hands, or be micro chipped to make any transactions. There were so many theories going around that it was hard to keep up. Yes, there is the trend to a cashless society, but I do recall then that Australia was going to be taken over by the UN and used as an experiment for a one world government. Didn't/hasn't happened.
Me for one, am very cautious about conspiracy theories - sure I do believe that there are people who want to control the world and it's finances, but, in reality, do you think every country will toe the line?? The Arab World? India? China? Pakistan? Russia?? I can't even see Tony Abbott joining up! There may be a group of countries who may get together and even call themselves some sort of "One World" system, but geographically, no, can't see it happen.
And, just because there is a UN agenda, doesn't mean we have to comply with it - it is a guideline only. Hey, there is a UN charter that says it is cruel to smack your kids, and should be outlawed, but we haven't implemented this charter. (I'll track down the links to this comment).
Do I think the wealthy want control of all our finances?? of course they do, so they can become richer. Do I think that some governments want us to not think for ourselves and let them do the thinking for us? Yes, but that's why Aussies didn't go ahead with this agenda and voted out Labor! Do I think the world is heading down the gurgler and that all is not well - damn right I do, and that's no theory, that's a fact!
And as Sentinel said - we can all choose to believe what we will.
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Post by pheniox17 on Mar 19, 2014 9:27:01 GMT 10
my high school modern history teacher drilled one thing into all his students (when I was in NSW, qld didn't care) "question everything, trust nothing" agenda 21, I know so little about it outside the conspiracy that I can't say if it's real or not... but if I wanted to implement a 1 world government, how would I do it?? SLOW, so slow that no one would notice until it was too late, and conspiracy nuts are perfect cover
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Post by myrrph on Mar 19, 2014 15:19:18 GMT 10
sometimes things are just how it is with no underlying nonsense
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Post by sentinel on Apr 3, 2014 17:27:16 GMT 10
my high school modern history teacher drilled one thing into all his students (when I was in NSW, qld didn't care) "question everything, trust nothing" agenda 21, I know so little about it outside the conspiracy that I can't say if it's real or not... but if I wanted to implement a 1 world government, how would I do it?? SLOW, so slow that no one would notice until it was too late, and conspiracy nuts are perfect cover (Been unavailable to re-enter this 'discussion' until now).
You are exactly right pheniox17 - if the gov'ts tried to 'fast track' this there would be open rebellion and I would be right at the forefront.
Can any of you remember the Australia Card Debacle? The gov't want to implement a national ID card for all citizens over 18 - Australian citizens were very outspoken about this with a definite NO. So what did they say - OK we listened to the people we will not have an Australia Card. Oh by the way we are introducing a TFN for everyone over 18. The difference being? We are all required to have a drivers license if we choose to drive a car in Australia - now they have decided to add an RFI chip into them - why is this so necessary?? Part of the A-21 included the removal of much of the manufacturing industry to third world countries. Not sure about the rest of you but I am sure I see an exodus of our manufacturing industry to off shore facilities - using the term 'cost effective move'. I for one would rather pay a bit more and keep these companies within our borders.
I do have a lot of information on A-21 and it's implementation, I have a substantial amount of literature and other evidence supporting my beliefs in this - Personally I really don't care if you choose to believe it or not - but before you knock any of it show me evidence that I am wrong. Further more I am aware of a number of pollies from federal MP's down to LGA levels that are aware of this but are unable to do much about it as it is in their party doctrines and policies.
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Post by pheniox17 on Apr 3, 2014 19:13:19 GMT 10
you keep feeding me info I will take the time to both question it and read it
oh not a fan of the license chip, (working on a way to fry the chip)
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Post by sentinel on Apr 3, 2014 21:23:44 GMT 10
you keep feeding me info I will take the time to both question it and read it oh not a fan of the license chip, (working on a way to fry the chip) I was told a short burst in an M/wave oven does the trick - personally I used a good magnet.
Will shove an old card in a M/wave one day just to see what it does - I have a few 'surplus' now.
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Post by pheniox17 on Apr 3, 2014 21:55:30 GMT 10
I was thinking 12vdc reversed poles on the chip, if that don't cause smoke nothing will
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Post by pheniox17 on Apr 3, 2014 21:56:29 GMT 10
ok 240vac option 2
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Post by sentinel on Apr 3, 2014 22:06:37 GMT 10
Careful on that one - it sounds like an 'ouch!'
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Post by You Must Enter A Name on May 21, 2014 13:00:55 GMT 10
take your chip to the shops and get the de-gauze it using the device they use to disable the security labels they attach to clothes etc, etc
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