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Post by Beno on Feb 15, 2022 18:19:02 GMT 10
A water tank is not a big ticket item. Either you have enough storage or not. Better to sort it out properly or do the last minute rush around with your fingers crossed. In 2020 those things went like hot cakes in my area along with a thousand other items that the masses cottoned on to. No use having million dollar properties and skimp on the smaller detail.
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Post by frostbite on Feb 15, 2022 18:27:19 GMT 10
This is my main water tank. I'm confident my water supply issue is sorted better than most.
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Post by frostbite on Feb 15, 2022 18:42:10 GMT 10
Water AND food sorted, heh Beno? How's your water supply? And only grazing properties upstream, no irrigators or industry to mess with my water supply
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Post by Beno on Feb 15, 2022 19:59:34 GMT 10
Excellent start. now to buy a bucket to get water from a to b.
I’ll never need to worry about water.
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Post by frostbite on Feb 15, 2022 20:06:51 GMT 10
Excellent start. now to buy a bucket to get water from a to b. I’ll never need to worry about water. Bucket is the backup plan. Plan A is my Honda firefighting/water transfer pump. How have you sorted your water supply?
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Post by spatial on Feb 15, 2022 20:09:43 GMT 10
I note that you are going to fill up the chest freezer therefore you either have your own power supply or relying on the mains power not to be turned off. Also interesting the people that have still some of the so called big ticket items to purchase, a lot of valuable time could be spent on sourcing those items at the last minute. Yep, solar panels and battery box will do the job for a short period. I'm not expecting the world to go entirely dark in my situation though. Short sighted? Probably. But I can only deal with one dilemma at a time, and filling gaps in the freezer and opening it as little as possible should give at least a few days before everything is entirely defrosted. So long as you can get the temp down to the right range (I believe Provident Preppers just had a video about it on youtube, with sciences and everything!) once a day you generally can keep everything frozen adequately. As for big ticket items I agree. Not wise to still need those items when things get hairy. I'm very much a 'don't go into debt to prep' person though and with our funds tied up trying to save a deposit for a house (that's a never-ending 'yeah so now you need an extra $20k' loop) so I can understand people who aren't necessarily buying the huge price sink items straight away.Filling Filling the freezer is never bad idea. The fuller the freezer the more efficient it runs. One can always pressure can or dehydrate, smoke contents. When campingni put ice in cooler box then wrap with wet towels and keep the towels wet. The ice lasts up to a week. Can use salt water, or any other water. A last minute prep might be a solar fridge, or all the gas bottles I can get hold of.
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Post by Beno on Feb 15, 2022 21:41:30 GMT 10
Excellent start. now to buy a bucket to get water from a to b. I’ll never need to worry about water. Bucket is the backup plan. Plan A is my Honda firefighting/water transfer pump. How have you sorted your water supply? Diverse investments have everything covered and if that's not enough average annual rainfall of 1300mm tops it off. Strategically placed interconnected tanks, bore testing at 8 L/s and a permanent creek with deep sump pools running at approx 1/2 - 1 meg a day during the worst drought in the districts history. It’s average would be about 5-10 meg a day. The dams are ear popping deep, never have run dry and loaded with eels, some bass and a few ducks too. The best thing i did was install an electric jet pump on the biggest dam, yep electric pump, on a dam. It’s about to irrigate an 3/4 acre of market gardens for the missus to manage over the next few months. The best thing is most of this was already here when i bought the place. I just made it awesome with some sensible redesigns of pipework and pump selection. If i were you I’d built a small pump shed on that pool and lay 1 1/2 inch ag underground to your hut. Better to over engineer your water supply than just get by. It’s bugger all difference in cost. If yer ever needed to get serious out there you’d be able to meet your water demands for a big garden with that setup. Try and keep your fittings buried in a fireproof box if you can, fire can burn your whole pipe out if exposed fittings/taps catch alight. it’ll burn underground no problem too and leave you scratching your head saying wtf. let’s talk about our soils next.
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Post by peter1942 on Feb 16, 2022 13:05:52 GMT 10
I have to come back to one of my time worn sayings, If you are not living where you have a good chance of survival and the lifestyle that goes with it when the SHTF you will be like a lot of the sheep that many of you carry on about.
After a serious SHTF event money will have no value and fuels and the means to get around will be severely curtailed. I am not sure if many of you realise that just by having water in towns and cities turned off, even for only several days is going to bring most people to their knees.
I said in a previous post more thought should be given to the three basics we cannot do without. Water, food and shelter. Look seriously and what you have at present in relation to those three things and just imagine how you would survive a week without them. A big four wheel drive, a fancy expensive bowie knife, your overloaded bug out bag etc. is not going to do you any favours at all. You have to be living the lifestyle before the SHTF event occurs. Remember also that if you have six months supply of any item, after the SHTF event you will have six months to either grow it, make it, or learn to go without it.
Saying you are going to escape to your bug out retreat after the SHTF event when and after all hell has broken loose will be virtually an impossibility. If your retreat is more than an hour away then there is a good chance that if you ever do get to it you will find that others will have beaten you to it and taken whatever they wanted to before your arrival.
In saying the above I can look at our lifestyle and what we are able to produce, which would be more than a lot of people, but even so there are still so many items we have to purchase because we cannot grow it/them or make it/them. To us water is most important but during the year to get that water to the gardens etc. we rely to some degree on petroleum products to power the pumps. Without those products we would have to rely more on natural rainfall or be prepared to use more manual labour for irrigating the vital food supplies. We are presently working at a solar powered solution to this problem but we know that if we do this it, like everything else, will not last for ever.
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Post by tactile on Feb 16, 2022 13:19:32 GMT 10
You have to be living the lifestyle before the SHTF event occurs. Great, lets all live like the Amish, right now...
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Post by Stealth on Feb 16, 2022 18:56:49 GMT 10
I have to come back to one of my time worn sayings, If you are not living where you have a good chance of survival and the lifestyle that goes with it when the SHTF you will be like a lot of the sheep that many of you carry on about. After a serious SHTF event money will have no value and fuels and the means to get around will be severely curtailed. I am not sure if many of you realise that just by having water in towns and cities turned off, even for only several days is going to bring most people to their knees. I said in a previous post more thought should be given to the three basics we cannot do without. Water, food and shelter. Look seriously and what you have at present in relation to those three things and just imagine how you would survive a week without them. A big four wheel drive, a fancy expensive bowie knife, your overloaded bug out bag etc. is not going to do you any favours at all. You have to be living the lifestyle before the SHTF event occurs. Remember also that if you have six months supply of any item, after the SHTF event you will have six months to either grow it, make it, or learn to go without it. Saying you are going to escape to your bug out retreat after the SHTF event when and after all hell has broken loose will be virtually an impossibility. If your retreat is more than an hour away then there is a good chance that if you ever do get to it you will find that others will have beaten you to it and taken whatever they wanted to before your arrival. In saying the above I can look at our lifestyle and what we are able to produce, which would be more than a lot of people, but even so there are still so many items we have to purchase because we cannot grow it/them or make it/them. To us water is most important but during the year to get that water to the gardens etc. we rely to some degree on petroleum products to power the pumps. Without those products we would have to rely more on natural rainfall or be prepared to use more manual labour for irrigating the vital food supplies. We are presently working at a solar powered solution to this problem but we know that if we do this it, like everything else, will not last for ever. Absolutely agree with all of that... BUT...We can only work with what we have access to. Financially, physically, mentally. There's a lot of things where people can be at a disadvantage because they still have to live their lives. Some of us don't own our own homes yet. Some of us can't live at our BoL because of work. Some of us are unable to carry large loads because we're physically disadvantaged. Some of us can't drive a truck. Some of us don't have space for garden beds. The thing is doing the best you can with what you have without disadvantaging yourself (or others) to get there. Those of us in this community are a million miles ahead of the people sitting on their couch waiting for the news to tell them what to do.
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Post by malewithatail on Feb 17, 2022 8:28:14 GMT 10
Water, vital. Have 2 off 2 meg dams at the headwaters of the creek. Equipped with solar and Honda firefighter pumps. Pump using excess solar (when the battery's are charged, a relay starts the pump if its wanted) and pumps to 45 kl header tank, which gravity feeds the gardens. All houses have 20 kl tanks and interconnected solar pumps to pump to another 45 kl header tank for drinking/general use. Over 200,000 liters rain water, plus the dams, plus a spring that we've not touched yet. (About 1 liter/sec). Could be in strife if an EMP happens, but have several dozen spare solar panels ferreted away in a steel container. Ditto for some spare inverters (actually 48 volt, 2.5 kva ex computer UPS units, wired for external battery's). Backup, backup, backup. The only way to survive whats coming.
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Post by peter1942 on Feb 17, 2022 12:44:33 GMT 10
For the people who have yet purchased a property that is suitable to bug out to or will never have one of their own there are, or will be after a SHTF situation as there are many people out there living off grid that will always require an extra set of hands.
In our case there are always jobs that need doing but with only the two of us and with what we already do there is no way we could ever be task free.
As well as having good vegetable gardens and orchard areas which keep me quite busy the crops have to be harvested and the fruit has to be preserved or made into jam for later use, this is where a good set of hands is invaluable, Vegetable seeds have to be planted in trays ready for planting out at the appropriate time, hopefully when the weather is suitable. Crops have to be protected from predators, watered, composted and weeded. A great life but needs basic skills and understanding.
I visit and talk to like minded people in an area that covers about a 70 kilometre radius of where we live and link them up with like minded people and people with the skills to help them in areas such as solar power, minor earthworks and building skills. The shortage of like minded labour, to my way of thinking, will always be there. In many cases there is adequate accommodation for an extra couple or even a family with an adequate caravan.
It must be remembered that it takes one person of a family to supply the food for the family, two people working to supply food can produce enough food for up to five families, three people can supply the food for nine or so families so after any SHTF situation community groups are going to survive better that an individual family on their own. This is an area where community cooperation comes into its own.
Basic skills are what are sadly lacking. Many of the people moving onto rural blocks are so citified to a degree that many of them have no real understanding of where their food comes from. This was proved during the first few months of the Covid pandemic when many of them visited nurseries and tried to purchase vegetable plants out of season not realising that many items in supermarkets are grown in many other places and shipped to our areas out of our season. A group of children saw brown cows for the first time and thought that they were the givers of chocolate flavoured milk.
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Post by malewithatail on Feb 17, 2022 16:03:47 GMT 10
Many moving from the cities are also so wasteful of resources. The amount of stuff dumped at the local tip with small, easy fixed faults is amazing. DVD players that just need cleaning, or a broken cable replaced, high power battery chargers (yes maybe 10 years + old, but easy to fix-no microprocessors back then), and much other stuff. One day, we will be called upon to give account of how we used the resources allocated to us. We planned our property 20 years ago to have family here, and now they are arriving. They must be self sufficient in housing (caravan, mobile home etc), and be willing to work for their living in gardens etc. Electric is supplied if you need it, but you are to be careful with it. We also have met several people who cant afford land and have made good friends with them, informing them that they are welcome here WTSHTF, as long as they are prepared reasonably well set up. Just done the bees and sitting here picking a few stings out of my hands. (At least my immune system has had a tune up). The figures given for food production will depend on the quality of the land. Here, I suspect that more people will be needed as we have heavy clay about 300 mm down It will grow almost anything, but has to be broken up fist. More people also means more security, more available for night patrols to keep marauders away. (Both human and animal-got an issue with dingoes at present with the sheep lambing). Good point re weather. Cant plant in the rain, or harvest either. Weather is a big concern, that's why you need a store of food.
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