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Post by bug on Jun 5, 2022 8:11:22 GMT 10
The Salvos haven't been a charity for many years now. They are a business with many government contracts. Avoid them and do not give them a cent unless you'd also be happy donating to Nike, Coke or your bank. Also worth remembering that the Salvos participated in the recent state sponsored discrimination. Not exactly 'looking after the disadvantaged'. So to hell with them. Out of curiosity how does salvos requiring the vaccine (I assume that what you are talking about) constitute “not looking out for the disadvantaged” ? But also they are an organisation with numerous arms. The sales from their stores fund their other efforts- you can disagree with their politics but really to act like they are just the same as giving money to Nike, Coke or banks (all companies I use and own shares in BTW) is just absurd.. I don’t share their religious affiliation but that doesn’t mean I’m going to act like they don’t do anything for the community. The government persecuted those who wouldn't play along with their narrative and do what they were told. This has happened in different ways in different countries since the beginning of civilisation. Charities by their very nature need to be outside of it and support people who have been disadvantaged/discriminated against for whatever reason, or they aren't really charities. There seems to have been an attitude of "I agree with the government on this topic, so it's ok this time." It's never ok. The salvos were denying access to those who did not conform with the government narrative. They could have stood up and said that they will continue to help anyone who needs help, regardless of what the government says. But the almighty dollar got in the way and they didn't help the disadvantaged, they helped the government instead. So to hell with them. Edit: The salvos are indeed a corporation like any other. They have very highly paid executives and for the most part the volunteers are just free labour from well meaning people. Most corporations have some level of charity work, donations etc. You'd never call them charities though as their main driver is profit. The salvos have been heading a lot closer to this model recently. Decades ago it would be silly to compare them to corporations, but that gap has been steadily closing. If anyone wants to help people, there are countless better ways to do it than to hand over money to a pseudo-charity like what the salvos have become.
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Post by Beno on Jun 5, 2022 8:11:38 GMT 10
I've picked up plenty of good stuff from 2nd hand shops. In particular I collect trousers and shirts of good quality in browns and greys for $5 a pop. Works a treat for camouflage in my local area without resorting to wearing 'suspicious looking' military cam or hyper costly outdoor brands. Items of good colour, but in sizes too small, I cut up and use for making extremely 'suspicious looking' hunting masks and other items. My area is traditionally high unemployments and full of short term labour hire a s work for dole programs. The end result is no ongoing job and the poor buggers just hand back their work clothes to the op shop. Another bonus are the retirees here too. Many play bowls and if you’ve ever worn bowls trousers in the bush you won’t go back to king gee. The pair i got 12 years ago are still going, i've spend a lot of months working in arduous conditions in them with no rips or tears. They glide through the bush.
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Post by frostbite on Jun 5, 2022 8:13:05 GMT 10
Not everyone wants to inject themselves with an experimental drug that is known to occasionally have a lethal side effect.
You can't claim to be the champions of the disadvantaged and then discriminate against any disadvantaged people who chose not to be part of the big pharma and grubbyment' experiment. Well you can, but it makes you a hypocrite.
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Post by bug on Jun 5, 2022 8:23:18 GMT 10
Quote: Out of curiosity how does salvos requiring the vaccine (I assume that what you are talking about) constitute “not looking out for the disadvantaged” ? Because any disadvantaged person not fully vaccinated was prohibited from entering their stores. The vaccines are free and readily available- how are they disadvantaged? Again you can disagree with their politics, religious affiliation etc but to act like they don’t do good in the community is just absurd. The word 'free' has no place in a subject where a failure to obey can see your job and freedom of movement taken away from you if you don't obey. That has no relation as to whether or not someone is pro or anti-vax. It's irrelevent. The concept of a previously democratic, free government being able to become authoritarian so quickly and effectively unchallenged is horrifying. The precedent has been set, nobody stopped them, and now we are at the government's mercy over what next 'reason' they want to use for doing this next time.
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Post by d on Jun 5, 2022 8:34:29 GMT 10
Not everyone wants to inject themselves with an experimental drug that is known to occasionally have a lethal side effect. You can't claim to be the champions of the disadvantaged and then discriminate against any disadvantaged people who chose not to be part of the big pharma and grubbyment' experiment. Well you can, but it makes you a hypocrite. So for clarity D and Salvos not the same, it wouldn’t make me a hypocrite, it would make them hypocrites and actually demanding “freedom” then disparaging the scope in which a charity chooses to operate based on their policy, politics and risk tolerance indeed actually makes you a hypocrite. I will add however that in some states where vax to enter was a thing they did indeed comply but here in the ACT, in my experience I was vax checked 3 times at Woolies and never at a salvos. I never saw vax checking of the homeless in my experiance on the streets, just heard about it in the retail stores in other states.
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Post by d on Jun 5, 2022 8:40:01 GMT 10
The vaccines are free and readily available- how are they disadvantaged? Again you can disagree with their politics, religious affiliation etc but to act like they don’t do good in the community is just absurd. The word 'free' has no place in a subject where a failure to obey can see your job and freedom of movement taken away from you if you don't obey. That has no relation as to whether or not someone is pro or anti-vax. It's irrelevent. The concept of a previously democratic, free government being able to become authoritarian so quickly and effectively unchallenged is horrifying. The precedent has been set, nobody stopped them, and now we are at the government's mercy over what next 'reason' they want to use for doing this next time. Erm.. no.. ever enrolled a kid in childcare? Or public school? Prof of vax has been a thing for a while. It’s a democracy where the majority have opted for this so in a democracy the minority accept the vote of majority.
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Post by d on Jun 5, 2022 9:00:44 GMT 10
I’ve tried to delete the above two replies as there’s no benefit to going down this road. Point is, sometimes you get good shit cheap at these places.
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Post by bug on Jun 5, 2022 9:14:53 GMT 10
The word 'free' has no place in a subject where a failure to obey can see your job and freedom of movement taken away from you if you don't obey. That has no relation as to whether or not someone is pro or anti-vax. It's irrelevent. The concept of a previously democratic, free government being able to become authoritarian so quickly and effectively unchallenged is horrifying. The precedent has been set, nobody stopped them, and now we are at the government's mercy over what next 'reason' they want to use for doing this next time. Erm.. no.. ever enrolled a kid in childcare? Or public school? Prof of vax has been a thing for a while. It’s a democracy where the majority have opted for this so in a democracy the minority accept the vote of majority. Oscar Schindler (and others) may disagree with the sentiment that a democratically elected government gets to persecute those it doesn't like. Children are not required to be vaccinated to attend school. They are required to advise schools of their status, that's all. This is disclosure, not discrimination.
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Post by malewithatail on Jun 5, 2022 9:17:51 GMT 10
"Erm.. no.. ever enrolled a kid in childcare? Or public school? Prof of vax has been a thing for a while. It’s a democracy where the majority have opted for this so in a democracy the minority accept the vote of majority." Thats one reason we home schooled all 5 kids for, keep away from the system that doesn't let them think for themselves as well. "It’s a democracy where the majority have opted for this so in a democracy the minority...." B/S. The powers that be have decreed that all shall do as they say, and legislated it to be so, no choice involved. Thats called communism. No Jab, No job, No access to the shops etc. Free choice ? Not. Ive got no issue with those who want to get jabbed, but it should be a choice, not forced. If I get sick from covid, and I did (felt a bit light headed for a day, next day all gone), then thats my responsibility, and if I have to pay for treatment on my own, so be it. Thats called responsibility for my own actions. But in return, I should have access to the medicine, ivomectin etc, that I need to overcome it. Once again, if I have to pay for it, Im cool with that. Interestingly, the edict from the Rural Fire Service that all members must be jabbed, has been toned down to if you arnt jabbed, then you cant go to an out of area incident. Seems they were in danger of losing nearly 1/3 of their members.
Ive got the fire extinguisher handy to quell the flames this may bring to me.
No tagline as this is too serious.
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Post by d on Jun 5, 2022 9:27:37 GMT 10
"Erm.. no.. ever enrolled a kid in childcare? Or public school? Prof of vax has been a thing for a while. It’s a democracy where the majority have opted for this so in a democracy the minority accept the vote of majority." Thats one reason we home schooled all 5 kids for, keep away from the system that doesn't let them think for themselves as well. "It’s a democracy where the majority have opted for this so in a democracy the minority...." B/S. The powers that be have decreed that all shall do as they say, and legislated it to be so, no choice involved. Thats called communism. No Jab, No job, No access to the shops etc. Free choice ? Not. Ive got no issue with those who want to get jabbed, but it should be a choice, not forced. If I get sick from covid, and I did (felt a bit light headed for a day, next day all gone), then thats my responsibility, and if I have to pay for treatment on my own, so be it. Thats called responsibility for my own actions. But in return, I should have access to the medicine, ivomectin etc, that I need to overcome it. Once again, if I have to pay for it, Im cool with that. Interestingly, the edict from the Rural Fire Service that all members must be jabbed, has been toned down to if you arnt jabbed, then you cant go to an out of area incident. Seems they were in danger of losing nearly 1/3 of their members.
Ive got the fire extinguisher handy to quell the flames this may bring to me.
No tagline as this is too serious. Tbh I couldn’t care if people are jabbed either, I made the choice I feel was right and and that’s my business, I recently had Covid with no symptoms could have been the vax, maybe not.. who knows.. same reason I haven’t had hep b or what ever else but I don’t understand that if someone wants to have the option to not be vaxxed what’s their issue with a private organisation choosing not to serve them based on the same logic. People can vax or not and organisations can refuse service- who cares just chose where you want your money, time and effort to go and move on but also if you aren’t happy with how shit is then get involved in government and work to change it.
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Post by frostbite on Jun 5, 2022 9:43:59 GMT 10
"Erm.. no.. ever enrolled a kid in childcare? Or public school? Prof of vax has been a thing for a while. It’s a democracy where the majority have opted for this so in a democracy the minority accept the vote of majority." Thats one reason we home schooled all 5 kids for, keep away from the system that doesn't let them think for themselves as well. "It’s a democracy where the majority have opted for this so in a democracy the minority...." B/S. The powers that be have decreed that all shall do as they say, and legislated it to be so, no choice involved. Thats called communism. No Jab, No job, No access to the shops etc. Free choice ? Not. Ive got no issue with those who want to get jabbed, but it should be a choice, not forced. If I get sick from covid, and I did (felt a bit light headed for a day, next day all gone), then thats my responsibility, and if I have to pay for treatment on my own, so be it. Thats called responsibility for my own actions. But in return, I should have access to the medicine, ivomectin etc, that I need to overcome it. Once again, if I have to pay for it, Im cool with that. Interestingly, the edict from the Rural Fire Service that all members must be jabbed, has been toned down to if you arnt jabbed, then you cant go to an out of area incident. Seems they were in danger of losing nearly 1/3 of their members.
Ive got the fire extinguisher handy to quell the flames this may bring to me.
No tagline as this is too serious. Tbh I couldn’t care if people are jabbed either, I made the choice I feel was right and and that’s my business, I recently had Covid with no symptoms could have been the vax, maybe not.. who knows.. same reason I haven’t had hep b or what ever else but I don’t understand that if someone wants to have the option to not be vaxxed what’s their issue with a private organisation choosing not to serve them based on the same logic. People can vax or not and organisations can refuse service- who cares just chose where you want your money, time and effort to go and move on. That's a very slippery slope of discrimination. If you support an organisation's right to discriminate against the unvaxxed, do you also support their right to discriminate based on race, religion, gender, sexual preference etc?
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Post by d on Jun 5, 2022 9:46:16 GMT 10
Tbh I couldn’t care if people are jabbed either, I made the choice I feel was right and and that’s my business, I recently had Covid with no symptoms could have been the vax, maybe not.. who knows.. same reason I haven’t had hep b or what ever else but I don’t understand that if someone wants to have the option to not be vaxxed what’s their issue with a private organisation choosing not to serve them based on the same logic. People can vax or not and organisations can refuse service- who cares just chose where you want your money, time and effort to go and move on. That's a very slippery slope of discrimination. If you support an organisation's right to discriminate against the unvaxxed, do you also support their right to discriminate based on race, religion, gender, sexual preference etc? And yet, it’s been the status quo in schools for ever.
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Post by ausprep130 on Jun 5, 2022 9:54:26 GMT 10
Quote: Out of curiosity how does salvos requiring the vaccine (I assume that what you are talking about) constitute “not looking out for the disadvantaged” ? Because any disadvantaged person not fully vaccinated was prohibited from entering their stores. The vaccines are free and readily available- how are they disadvantaged? Again you can disagree with their politics, religious affiliation etc but to act like they don’t do good in the community is just absurd. I think he meant the person was disadvantaged because they were poor AND as the person was not vaccinated meaning they were unable to go in to the store. Having said that I don't think that is a 'Salvos' issue. The mandate for vaccinated people came from the government and they were required to abide by the rule. Futhermore, a lot of charity stores are staffed by elderly volunteers and as the elderly are more susceptible to sever effects of Covid I believe they were more concerned and therefore more willing to enforce the rule especially compared to pubs/clubs that seemed to ignore the rules.
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Post by malewithatail on Jun 5, 2022 10:10:04 GMT 10
That's a very slippery slope of discrimination. If you support an organization's right to discriminate against the unvaxxed, do you also support their right to discriminate based on race, religion, gender, sexual preference etc?
They do anyway, regardless of any law these polifilths pass.
If at first you don't succeed, call it V1.0
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Post by Stealth on Jun 5, 2022 10:28:36 GMT 10
Out of curiosity how does salvos requiring the vaccine (I assume that what you are talking about) constitute “not looking out for the disadvantaged” ? But also they are an organisation with numerous arms. The sales from their stores fund their other efforts- you can disagree with their politics but really to act like they are just the same as giving money to Nike, Coke or banks (all companies I use and own shares in BTW) is just absurd.. I don’t share their religious affiliation but that doesn’t mean I’m going to act like they don’t do anything for the community. Oh I dunno about anyone else but I wasn't talking about their vaccine stance. I was referring purely to their stance on the LGBTQ community and their poisonous behaviour that is swept under the rug or even wholly sanctioned by them as a group. They claim to have changed, but leopards don't change their spots and they haven't even tried beyond a few social media campaigns and removing inappropriate posts from their websites. Somewhat like the RSL they're an old boys club that's faded into irrelevance because they refuse to change their ways as time has progressed. Until they show some real development on issues that affect people that I know and love I won't support them. There's plenty of other places that I can donate to and support that don't want to shame my friends into non-existence. Besides, every single interaction I've had with a sallyman (and I do mean every single one) I've gone into thinking 'they do this because they want to help, I'm not going to assume motive' and I've come away feeling either frustrated, angry, or judged. The vast majority of christian groups I've had dealings with I haven't felt that way on random interactions. That makes me think it's a structural behaviour/thinking pattern that either attracts a certain type of person or is trained into them. Either way, not a fan.
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Post by norseman on Jun 5, 2022 11:06:17 GMT 10
In our valley the Salvos leadership was handed from father to son it was a cult, with all the handouts going to members irrespective of actual need! It was once the most active church in the area but now lays dormant, the key officers having being moved on to posts in Sydney years ago.
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Post by d on Jun 5, 2022 13:54:03 GMT 10
We are off topic and I’m to blame there. Moving on- you don’t have to donate to salvos but checking out the local op shop may yield dividends is the point I’m making, if you dislike salvos then omit them from the rounds- easy.
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Post by iceage on Jun 5, 2022 17:12:41 GMT 10
I wonder if the salvos were ok with work for the dole participants not being vaxxed for "volunteer" work. Friend of mine used to have to fold dirty clothes for them, some stores wash the clothes most dont, so make sure you thoroughly clean before wearing any, goes without saying though.
Anyhow on topic, i go to a uniting church outfit that has some nice stuff from time to time, still way overpriced though and you could get the same kind of clothing at kmart or bigw for same price or a few dollars extra, tshirts, shorts.
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Post by Stealth on Jun 5, 2022 18:07:44 GMT 10
I will say another thing in favour of vinnies, I've found that no matter which store I go into the clothes smell freshly laundered. I don't know if it's because they have a deal with local laundromats or they just have bulk machines out the back to wash stuff, but clothes and manchester seem to never have that 'donated clothing' smell, if you know what I mean.
Either way op shops are great for things like cast iron kitchen wear although depending on where you shop sometimes it's the quick and the dead with that sort of thing. People have really clued on to the op shop for good quality cookwear thing!
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Post by d on Jun 5, 2022 18:08:06 GMT 10
I wonder if the salvos were ok with work for the dole participants not being vaxxed for "volunteer" work. Friend of mine used to have to fold dirty clothes for them, some stores wash the clothes most dont, so make sure you thoroughly clean before wearing any, goes without saying though. Anyhow on topic, i go to a uniting church outfit that has some nice stuff from time to time, still way overpriced though and you could get the same kind of clothing at kmart or bigw for same price or a few dollars extra, tshirts, shorts. Let’s just drop it as it has been years and if people haven’t changed their minds on it then let’s not fight it out here. No point continuing. My point is that yeah there is they usual Kmart shit but I just bought a $350 bag for $15 so obviously deals are still there
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