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Post by Tim Horton on Aug 22, 2022 0:32:00 GMT 10
As much as I can't tolerate a bear around our place, both for our safety, livestock, and the damage they have caused... I can't help feeling for the poor buggers in a way.. This is a hard time of year for them.. Things turning into late summer mode, and there instinct to pack on the weight for winter..
There being a report of about a 200 kilo black bear breaking into a families house and trashing the kitchen.. It was eventually shot within 5 feet of the room the family was barricaded in..
Dirtdiva... Take notice.. Video of a pair of big male black bears stopping traffic as they fought in the middle of the highway.. Not sure where this happened.. Likely many of the same conditions in nature there as well..
Our friends in US Alaska saying migrating birds, leaves turning color already and many other small signs of nature there as well as here are leading to predictions of an exceptionally early, possibly long harsh winter to come.. For North America at least..
This coupled with the condition of the rest of the world makes me think we WILL be tested quite intensely as the next seasons change..
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Post by dirtdiva on Aug 22, 2022 3:27:24 GMT 10
As much as I can't tolerate a bear around our place, both for our safety, livestock, and the damage they have caused... I can't help feeling for the poor buggers in a way.. This is a hard time of year for them.. Things turning into late summer mode, and there instinct to pack on the weight for winter.. There being a report of about a 200 kilo black bear breaking into a families house and trashing the kitchen.. It was eventually shot within 5 feet of the room the family was barricaded in.. Dirtdiva... Take notice.. Video of a pair of big male black bears stopping traffic as they fought in the middle of the highway.. Not sure where this happened.. Likely many of the same conditions in nature there as well.. Our friends in US Alaska saying migrating birds, leaves turning color already and many other small signs of nature there as well as here are leading to predictions of an exceptionally early, possibly long harsh winter to come.. For North America at least.. This coupled with the condition of the rest of the world makes me think we WILL be tested quite intensely as the next seasons change.. Almost 3/4 of Tennessee is forests and timberland. Tennessee has 56 State parks, 13 National parks and receives almost 14 million visitors a year. Tennessee makes $970 million in tourist dollars per year (2020) which pays for our roads and schools in many cases. The state of Tennessee has two main Black Bear populations; the Appalachian Population, and the Cumberland Population. There are believed to be around 7,000 bears in the state of Tennessee and the population is expanding and growing. With that many tourists in areas where human and bear collide become problem spots for bear attacks. Many people just cannot understand the concept of leaving the wildlife alone. Don't feed the bear, don't poke the bear and don't try to take selfies with the bear. The ignorance and lack of the concept of self preservation in some people absolutely astounds me sometimes. For the most part those of us that have to learn to coexist with the bears have few problems and tend to be somewhat protective of them. There is enough wild land in Tennessee for the both of us. With proper garbage disposal, proper storage of livestock feed and such most altercations can be avoided. My only problem with bears in my area is that the fruit that I grow can attract them at certain times of the year when they are trying to store fat for winter. |
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Post by bug on Aug 22, 2022 9:21:23 GMT 10
Had to read that twice. Thought it said "more beers".
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Tim Horton
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Post by Tim Horton on Aug 22, 2022 10:40:34 GMT 10
Many people just cannot understand the concept of leaving the wildlife alone. Don't feed the bear, don't poke the bear and don't try to take selfies with the bear. The ignorance and lack of the concept of self preservation in some people absolutely astounds me sometimes.
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Surprisingly to many, I am good with that concept... Life management skills are important when dealing with wildlife instincts.. Regardless of the kind of critter.. Good garbage management, fencing gardens, and the like.. Here the kind of critter will determine the kind of fencing needed.. Here you need electric fencing almost strong enough to hold wild cattle.. You need the strength and barbed wire to get through the fur to there hide to deliver a shock.. They can, will walk through many lower quality and strength electric fence.. Moose require a high enough woven fence and nothing planted too close to the fence they will just lean on it an graze..
Also, to me, location makes a big difference.. If I'm in the provincial park and see, encounter a bear, or other critter I yield to the animal.. On our place I set my personal space boundaries..
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Post by dirtdiva on Aug 22, 2022 11:11:51 GMT 10
Here in the Cumberland we deal mostly with deer, bear and wild boar. We have bear proof garbage receptacles, the immediate area around the house is fenced in to discourage the deer and wild boar from the gardens. Heavy duty chicken houses, separate and sturdy masonry shed to house the livestock feed and dog food. Two large dogs running inside the fence probably does the most good and seems to discourage all 3. I have had the bear climb up in the fruit trees after ripe peaches and plums. The bad part about that is that they break up the limbs and damage the trees. During that time we resort to electric fencing as well. Fortunately we do not deal with grizzly but just the black bear. I will say that Tennessee wildlife officers are really good about trapping and relocating those bears that lose their fear of man and get brave. They tend to move them further into the parks where there are less humans. Occasionally they will have to put one down but usually it is because people have been feeding them and encouraging bad bear behavior.
I am so glad we do not have to deal with moose or elk although there are some elk being released in some of the National parks and Wildlife areas. There are elk now in the Great Smokie Mountain park also which is right on our border.
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Post by frostbite on Aug 22, 2022 13:19:04 GMT 10
There's be a lot of meat on elk or moose.
My neighbourhood is being overrun by deer. They come right into suburbia. Might have to buy a bow, especially with beef running at $30-60 per kg, depending on cut.
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Post by Stealth on Aug 22, 2022 17:51:38 GMT 10
The ignorance and lack of the concept of self preservation in some people absolutely astounds me sometimes. --- --- Darwin ?? === My brain automatically went to OUR Darwin, and I thought yep. Aussies hangin' out with that many crocs does sound as stupid doesn't it. Then I realised you didn't mean that Darwin 🤣😂😂. |
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Post by Joey on Aug 22, 2022 19:08:56 GMT 10
As much as I can't tolerate a bear around our place, both for our safety, livestock, and the damage they have caused... I can't help feeling for the poor buggers in a way.. This is a hard time of year for them.. Things turning into late summer mode, and there instinct to pack on the weight for winter.. There being a report of about a 200 kilo black bear breaking into a families house and trashing the kitchen.. It was eventually shot within 5 feet of the room the family was barricaded in.. Dirtdiva... Take notice.. Video of a pair of big male black bears stopping traffic as they fought in the middle of the highway.. Not sure where this happened.. Likely many of the same conditions in nature there as well.. Our friends in US Alaska saying migrating birds, leaves turning color already and many other small signs of nature there as well as here are leading to predictions of an exceptionally early, possibly long harsh winter to come.. For North America at least.. This coupled with the condition of the rest of the world makes me think we WILL be tested quite intensely as the next seasons change.. With that many tourists in areas where human and bear collide become problem spots for bear attacks. Many people just cannot understand the concept of leaving the wildlife alone. Don't feed the bear, don't poke the bear and don't try to take selfies with the bear. The ignorance and lack of the concept of self preservation in some people absolutely astounds me sometimes. I think this situation is perfect for these two age old sayings..   |
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Post by dirtdiva on Aug 22, 2022 23:42:20 GMT 10
There's be a lot of meat on elk or moose. My neighbourhood is being overrun by deer. They come right into suburbia. Might have to buy a bow, especially with beef running at $30-60 per kg, depending on cut. Ouch! I have killed, cooked, canned and eaten so many deer in my lifetime. Anything that you can do with beef you can pretty well do with venison. The trick to eating venison in my opinion is how you clean it and you have to get all that silver membrane out and a great deal of the excess fat and don't overcook it. I used to can jars and jars of venison stew and venison chili. Makes better hamburger I think if you mix it with a little ground beef or pork for the fat. I used to make lots of sausage with it too. When I lived in the Midwest US it seemed like every time I turned around I was peeling a deer off the front bumper and paying for repair work on the truck. They were an absolute nuisance but they did keep the freezer full. |
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Post by Tim Horton on Aug 23, 2022 18:15:41 GMT 10
Dirtdiva said..... I am so glad we do not have to deal with moose or elk
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Actually.... Kentucky, Tennessee one has one of the larges elk populations in the US.. That particular area has no population of predators to be a problem for them.. Witch ever state it is there natural resources, game and fish commission sells, trades a lot of elk to other states... This info from a number of papers about reintroduction of species in different places...
Trivia...
In the Lewis and Clark history days elk and grizzly were quite common from west of the Mississippi river to the west coast.. Same for Canada.. Encroachment of settlers and such changed a lot of that..
I also grew up on venison and North American antelope... I have the old US Remington 1917 Enfield 30-06 my grandfather brought home from WW1 that kept 3-4 families fed.. Yes.. It seems car grills are wild game magnets somehow... More so now that cars are so much plastic...
My mom, grandma, aunt canned many jars of raw pack wild game meat used in a lot of ways.. Mom also canned a venison mince meat pie filling that I still miss to this day..
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Post by Tim Horton on Aug 23, 2022 18:27:40 GMT 10
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Darwin.... Yes the scientist or what ever he did, not the city...
We have had major bear damage to our long suffering crab apple tree last fall... Despite this the poor thing seems on track to produce well this year.. I try to watch it closely now..
The best thing that can be done for bears is to allow hunting with dogs.. This keeps them more warry of humans, dogs, buildings and the like.. But the condo, Starbuck committee, type groups don't realize that.. Thinking it is unfair advantage and such..
My neighbourhood is being overrun by deer.
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Believe me... As bad a problem as that can be... You don't want to trade that for bears..
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Post by frostbite on Aug 23, 2022 18:33:27 GMT 10
Your grizzly bears are tame compared to our drop bears.
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Post by dirtdiva on Aug 23, 2022 20:07:02 GMT 10
Dirtdiva said..... I am so glad we do not have to deal with moose or elk --- --- Actually.... Kentucky, Tennessee one has one of the larges elk populations in the US.. That particular area has no population of predators to be a problem for them.. Witch ever state it is there natural resources, game and fish commission sells, trades a lot of elk to other states... This info from a number of papers about reintroduction of species in different places... Trivia... In the Lewis and Clark history days elk and grizzly were quite common from west of the Mississippi river to the west coast.. Same for Canada.. Encroachment of settlers and such changed a lot of that.. I also grew up on venison and North American antelope... I have the old US Remington 1917 Enfield 30-06 my grandfather brought home from WW1 that kept 3-4 families fed.. Yes.. It seems car grills are wild game magnets somehow... More so now that cars are so much plastic... My mom, grandma, aunt canned many jars of raw pack wild game meat used in a lot of ways.. Mom also canned a venison mince meat pie filling that I still miss to this day.. There are a couple huge National Wildlife Management Areas north of me that borders the Tennessee and Kentucky state line. Elk herds would have to be there. Lots of acres to roam and areas are very isolated. They could be growing Big Foot there and no one would know it! Lol The grandkids were here a few weeks ago and we took them to shoot the Nantahala rapids. We saw a few elk then. Other than in the parks I have never seen elk in the wild in Tennessee so really surprised to hear that. They do have a few places around here where people farm them. |
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Post by Tim Horton on Aug 24, 2022 18:27:14 GMT 10
Drop Bears.....
Had to look that one up... Funny...
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Post by Stealth on Aug 24, 2022 19:08:11 GMT 10
Always smear vegemite on your ears and hold hands with someone else. Deters even the most savage of drop bears.
Close to my favourite Aussie myth, the first of which is that koala bears are flammable due to the amount of eucalyptus oil they eat which is of course highly flammable. That's why we don't make runners out of koala skin. There was a few cases of kids having their feet spontaneously combusting on hot asphalt during the summer and it was banned as a safety risk.
I've convinced more than a couple of yank buddies that that's why we don't use it anymore... mwahahaha.
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Post by frostbite on Aug 24, 2022 20:15:34 GMT 10
When my daughter was training with US soldiers in Nth Qld (Ex Talisman Sabre), the yanks had been briefed about all the deadly creatures there (including drop bears). One asked her about the yeast extract tube in her ration pack. She explained it was to smear on one's face to repel mosquitos carrying Ross River virus, an essential bit of kit in that part of Qld. Of course, the yanks didn't have yeast extract in their rat packs, so she traded her yeast extract for a couple of full yank ration packs and some unit patches. She even managed to keep a straight face as the yank smeared the vegemite all over his face and neck.
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Post by Tim Horton on Aug 25, 2022 4:14:46 GMT 10
Close to my favourite Aussie myth, the first of which is that koala bears are flammable due to the amount of eucalyptus oil they eat which is of course highly flammable.
1She even managed to keep a straight face as the yank smeared the vegemite all over his face and neck.
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Post by rastus on Sept 3, 2022 0:04:06 GMT 10
Years ago we had some Taiwanese friends using our place as a base of operations for a few months, so I did the usual routine of warning them about drop bears and magpies. Of course I told em that that they only ever attack tourists, the vegemite trick etc, but they all rolled their eyes and called BS on me.
Joke was on them tho, within the first month they had all been attacked by magpies.
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Post by malewithatail on Sept 3, 2022 11:59:54 GMT 10
Just got reports of wild dogs, dingo crosses and a couple of rottweilers with colors, that are attacking stick down the road. Looks like some more night spotlighting fun, with loaded rifles.
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Post by Tim Horton on Sept 3, 2022 18:06:44 GMT 10
within the first month they had all been attacked by magpies.
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Interesting..... Attacked by magpies.. You mean swoop down and attempt to take a bite out of a human ?? You got to tell me more..
Our magpies here are black and white about the size of a robin.. We also have a black and grew bird about the same size and color scheme as a magpie.. Called a camp robber... Neither is dangerous to humans..
We also have a lot of crows and ravens.. Crows much bigger than magpies, ravens can be almost twice the size of crows.. I do have occasional problems with crows and ravens in the chicken yard.. I'm told..... by neighbors it is hard to get within shot shell range of a raven.. But a well tuned 22 rifle works good... So I'm told...
I'm going to presume your full fledged dingo is much like wolf, coyote, fox in there instincts to fear, avoid humans.. Not that they won't, can't do damage, but are much more fearful than feral dogs and dogs that run in packs even if they sleep at home every night.. These can be much less predictable and extremely dangerous.. Keep safe doing what needs done..
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