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Post by Joey on Jan 28, 2024 20:24:41 GMT 10
Well it was bound to happen. With the uptick of home gardens, it was only a matter of time before it was to be complained about, and I'm sure around the place there will be a pollie or two who will take this to heart and want home gardens banned or highly regulated. news.yahoo.com/carbon-footprint-homegrown-food-five-200247599.html?guccounter=1record.umich.edu/articles/study-examines-carbon-footprint-of-urban-farmed-food/Growing your own food in an allotment may not be as good for the environment as expected, a study suggests. The carbon footprint of homegrown foods is five times greater than produce from conventional agricultural practices, such as rural farms, data show. A study from the University of Michigan looked at how much CO2 was produced when growing food in different types of urban farms and found that, on average, a serving of food made from traditional farms creates 0.07kg of CO2. The impact on the environment is almost five times higher at 0.34kg per portion for individual gardens, such as vegetable patches or allotments. |
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Post by spatial on Jan 28, 2024 21:00:16 GMT 10
We have reached peak insanity, being overweight and inactive is considered bad, take sports, people who exercise excessively will breath out more carbon, eat more food, travel more to get place of exercise erc.. but society does not condemn sports, 40,000 people going to watch the cricket will use up lots of resources, Do the right thing grow own veg is anti social
Principle of environmental management is things should be local, and not transported, perpetually changing the rules
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Post by Tim Horton on Jan 29, 2024 4:54:09 GMT 10
The ...peak of insanity... seems a never ending quest for some who have too much time on there hands and need better focus.. For instance, one example.. A number of years ago now some group proclaimed mothers milk is not good for infants..
Home garden complaints likely have more to do with HOA type rules or other property value type issues.
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Post by Joey on Jan 29, 2024 5:54:04 GMT 10
I just heard that it was raised at the COP24 meeting that the international controligachs want ALL farmland under government control/ownership worldwide. So, it's not surprising that we will start to see fluff piece stories and "studies" like these roll out.
Of course, there is no mention in the "study" regarding home gardens helping bees, birds and other critters compared to just acres of grass through the suburbs.
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Post by malewithatail on Jan 29, 2024 6:13:06 GMT 10
Got to get rid of these pesky home gardeners who we cant control through food additives and shortages.
Are we having fahrvergngen yet ?
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Post by bug on Jan 29, 2024 8:25:53 GMT 10
The hassle is that the claim is true. Using the high value land in cities for agriculture is always going to come up worse than doing it en-masse in rural areas.
It's not relevant here though, as we are doing it for our own protection, not for environmental reasons. Needless to say, there will surely be some developer looking to squeeze more sardines into our cities, who will be more than happy to fund a campaign against 'inefficient land use', so the land occupied by gardens can be 'freed up' for more housing.
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Post by malewithatail on Jan 29, 2024 14:23:18 GMT 10
"Using the high value land in cities for agriculture" But is that who they are aiming at ? I suspect its the home gardener, weather that be on a city block, or a bush block, its the fact that they are independent of the system that pi..es them off so much. Once we crack the nuclear 50 year battery, www.independent.co.uk/tech/nuclear-battery-betavolt-atomic-china-b2476979.htmland/or a lot of gasifiers are constructed, and the petroleum companies can take a running jump, then the powers that be will really start to legislate to restrict what can be done, just consider the hullabaloo about wood heaters some years ago. A special committee was formed to investigate them and a standard was produced that all manufactures had to comply with. All because of "pollution". BS, it was about control and the restriction as to efficiency, etc was the start of overall restrictions on home wood fires, as once again, it cant be easily controlled, unlike air con or electric/gas heating. As easy as 3.14159265358979323846264338327950288419716.... |
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Post by bug on Jan 29, 2024 14:54:40 GMT 10
Just guessing at the target. It's usually someone using greenwash to make money.
We've had nuclear batteries for 50yrs. They are very common on spacecraft. The ones on the Voyagers still work. Amazing stuff.
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Post by frostbite on Jan 29, 2024 16:04:33 GMT 10
What rubbish. How did they come up with those figures? More $hit for brainless sheep.
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Post by malewithatail on Jan 29, 2024 16:18:24 GMT 10
The Voyager ones are a bit different in that they use thermocouples wrapped around the hot, radioactive core. And use the heat to generate electric. These new style use the actual radioactive decay of alpha particles to react with the crystal structure of the semi conductor and knock electrons off it to create electricity. Totally different principle.
A new use for radio active waste ??
As I said before, I never repeat myself.
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Post by spinifex on Jan 30, 2024 7:41:06 GMT 10
Well it was bound to happen. With the uptick of home gardens, it was only a matter of time before it was to be complained about, and I'm sure around the place there will be a pollie or two who will take this to heart and want home gardens banned or highly regulated. news.yahoo.com/carbon-footprint-homegrown-food-five-200247599.html?guccounter=1record.umich.edu/articles/study-examines-carbon-footprint-of-urban-farmed-food/Growing your own food in an allotment may not be as good for the environment as expected, a study suggests. The carbon footprint of homegrown foods is five times greater than produce from conventional agricultural practices, such as rural farms, data show. A study from the University of Michigan looked at how much CO2 was produced when growing food in different types of urban farms and found that, on average, a serving of food made from traditional farms creates 0.07kg of CO2. The impact on the environment is almost five times higher at 0.34kg per portion for individual gardens, such as vegetable patches or allotments. This study would be based on the “home garden supplies industry” model where according to shops one has to buy 47 different products worth $3961.09 in order to grow a dozen radishes. The worst offender of those products would be bagged organic fertilisers and soil additives that generate shitloads of methane and nitrous oxides during production. These gasses being hundreds of times more potent than co2. |
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Post by Stealth on Jan 30, 2024 10:34:14 GMT 10
Makes sense, of course it's not going to be as effective of a model if you're relying on commercially produced soil products which in and of themselves have a high environmental cost. It's definitely a good reminder to use home-made fertilizers and soil conditioners where ever possible, or source them locally like from dairy farms etc. Sometimes it's just not possible, for example if you're running a tiny patio garden in the city. There's always options though, like worm farms and similar. They don't solve every problem but its better than nothing.
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Post by spatial on Jan 30, 2024 11:23:45 GMT 10
I just heard that it was raised at the COP24 meeting that the international controligachs want ALL farmland under government control/ownership worldwide. So, it's not surprising that we will start to see fluff piece stories and "studies" like these roll out. Of course, there is no mention in the "study" regarding home gardens helping bees, birds and other critters compared to just acres of grass through the suburbs. It is go go go to control land and food, control food control the people. Last month it was the German farmers protesting today the French farmers are out en-mass blocking roads and protesting. France protests: Farmers block major roads around Paris over falling incomes
www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-68135180French farmers have begun moving hundreds of tractors in an effort to blockade key routes into the French capital, termed the "siege of Paris." Farmers argue they are being hit by falling incomes, environmental regulations, rising red tape, and competition from imports.French authorities say 15,000 police have been mobilised to stop tractors entering the capital and other cities. Other protests are taking place across the country. Hundreds of thousands of farmers moved to block major highways to Paris on Monday, as similar protests took place in Germany, Belgium and The Netherlands. |
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Post by malewithatail on Jan 30, 2024 11:45:14 GMT 10
Bunnings wont be there after TSHTF, so pre made firtalisers are not an issue, home composting will be though.
Ask not for who the bell tolls, let the machine get it.
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Post by frostbite on Jan 30, 2024 14:42:15 GMT 10
My 10 cleared acres along the river just keeps sounding better and better.
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Post by spinifex on Feb 6, 2024 19:35:24 GMT 10
My 10 cleared acres along the river just keeps sounding better and better. One of your preps should be plenty of 20kg sacks of MAP or DAP and a 20kg carton of trace element mix. A bulker bag of ag lime wouldn't go astray either.
Once you've juiced up the soil with added nutrients you can then recycle your own plant growth as organic fertiliser.
You own a tractor and implements yet? It's like next-level prepping. Its pretty satisfying owning thousands of litres of diesel and a full suite of machinery to go farming on an abundant scale for survival.
Having said that ... I'm still setting up stealth gardens along local roadsides. For when the Chinese come to hunt us like rabbits and take all our stuff.
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Post by frostbite on Feb 6, 2024 19:39:13 GMT 10
No tractor or implements. I don’t plan on commercial food production, just a monster home garden. Maybe I’ll get a sturdy horse and a plough. Who needs diesel when you’ve got lots of grass.
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Post by spinifex on Feb 6, 2024 19:56:16 GMT 10
I now own 3 tractors ... a 1975 and 1982 and a 1992 ... and all the gear to go small scale (10 acre) farming in earnest. Interestingly ... I like the oldest tractor the best. These old ones can be got for $5-9k in good running condition and paired with a disc or chisel cultivator the garden world would be your oyster.
Screw horses ... having owned them I can testify working them in agriculture would be a nightmare for anyone but an experienced expert. They're fair cross-country transport though if you have the feed to sustain them.
Get ye some goats too. Easy care red meat. I'm about to get some Kalahari reds ... mmm ... delicious.
We get lots of Hares on the block here too. Also tasty.
About to start a project setting up pallet sized fruit bins for aquaculture ... I'm looking forward to learning an entirely new skill set.
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Post by frostbite on Feb 6, 2024 20:11:06 GMT 10
I’ve got goats:  and hares and about 40 ducks last weekend. Plus trout and the occasional pig and deer. And lots of gypsy sheep. The Mrs has a tractor fetish so we might get an old MF one day. I used to pull awesome wheelies on my Dad’s old tractor. |
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Post by spinifex on Feb 6, 2024 20:19:31 GMT 10
If she also likes Lamborghinis I have a heck of a deal for you ... it would tick both boxes.
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