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Post by SA Hunter on Jun 15, 2014 12:40:36 GMT 10
www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/national/aussies-fighting-in-syria-said-to-have-crossed-border-with-extremist-islamist-terror-group-marching-on-baghdad/story-fnii5s40-1226953912214SEVERAL Australians are believed to have joined a terrorist group which has captured two cities in Iraq as US President Barack Obama said he would not rule out air strikes against the extremists. US officials have told The Saturday Telegraph they suspect Australians fighting in Syria have crossed the border with ISIL, an extremist Islamist terror group which is marching toward Baghdad. Following a meeting with Prime Minister Tony Abbott, Mr Obama warned of the shared risks for Australia and the US of having its own citizens returning from these war zones as jihadists. “We discussed the situation in the Middle East and the concerns we have around Iraq and Syria,” Mr Obama said after a meeting at the White House with Mr Abbott. “Both our countries are potentially threatened by jihadists and freedom fighters, as they call them, that are going into Syria, getting trained in terrorist tactics and then potentially coming back to our countries and could end up being a significant threat to our homeland.” Mr Obama said the US was looking at a number of options to intervene and stop the bloodshed, and he would not rule anything out. “What we’ve seen over the last couple of days indicates Iraq’s going to need more help from the United States and other nations,” he said. “I don’t rule out anything because we do have a stake in making sure these jihadists are not getting a permanent foothold in Iraq — or Syria, for that matter.’’ A White House spokesman later said Mr Obama was referring to air strikes: “We’re not considering boots on the ground.” Mr Abbott also did not rule out military intervention by Australia: “I hope it doesn’t come to that of course but this is a serious situation and it does need to be dealt with. The Iraqi government is extraordinarily concerned about the very rapid advance this al-Qaeda group seems to be making against its own forces.’’ Australian authorities fear the new Islamic hotspot could draw more young Muslims to the fight. NSW police would not comment on the US belief Australians were now part of the latest conflict. “We do know a number of young men from Sydney and elsewhere in Australia have flown to Syria in the past few years,’’ Counter-Terrorism Unit head Peter Dein said. It is believed more than 200 Australians are fighting in Syria. ASIO has seized passports from a number of citizens, including men from southwest Sydney, over fears they would travel to Syria and other areas of conflict.
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Post by SA Hunter on Jun 15, 2014 13:00:23 GMT 10
I've added a few comments made about this too - tried to vary the views expressed, though it won't take long to decipher what most people are saying.
Tom
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I thought that under the Anti Terror laws brought in a few years back that it was an offence to take up arms for any foreign group especially terrorist groups. Maybe the Federal Police should start doing their job and lock these vermin up when they return
Dianne
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@tom No just don`t allow them to return why should we the taxpayer pay for their time in jail.
Dave
14 hours ago
Being classified as Australian is about 4th or 5th in the list of priorities to these grubs, their first priority is Islam, never ever forget that
Message to those who consider going over there to help, " Stay there, do not come back you will not be welcome here", we have lost enough troops in the last conflict why should we send more cannon fodder to these fools. Fools we trained for this type of situation, now leaving their own people in peril, just to save their own cowardly selves.
Andrew
1 day ago
I wonder if Centrelink is still paying for their little overseas holiday?
Gordon
1 day ago
Are they gonna come back, sell a book and say it was all just a misunderstanding too?
steieve
1 day ago
These are not Australian's, the moment they took up arms against another in a place of no significance to the majority of Australians, they lost any call to be Australian
Dean
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I would like to hear what Sarah HY and the Greens have to say about these people travelling back?? The silence is deafening from them
Michael
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Why take their passports which stops them from going. Let them go but don't let them back in. Their families should be deported as well.
@ray Who or what is a terrorist? Can we do as we like but when others do it they're simply "terrorists"? In my opinion, calling yourself an Australian doesn't mean you can't commit terrorist acts, or prop up terrorism. To me, the Americans and their drone strikes are terrorising people on a daily basis, making them terrorists, and yet Australia happily supports them. So who is the terrorist? Is it just who the media says it is? Don't believe the propaganda that serves only to manipulate your mind based on cultural Illusions
You are right and yes they should deport their families if found that they have joined the jihadist. One problem is some of the people who join were born in Australia. Again if they go and fight with the jihadist or any other terrorist group they should have their passports taken away and lose their right to belong to this country in any way.
Muslim immigrants may be fleeing from oppression by another Muslim sect but are still locked into Islam which overrides their commitment to anything else regardless of where they settle.
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Post by overlord on Jun 17, 2014 19:13:54 GMT 10
Am concerned that this new fighting in Iraq could be another ploy by the US Government so that they can justify taking over the oil supplies and control of Iraq.
Remember that Obama promised a complete pull-out of US troops there but with the new fighting, this would force them to go back in. They have already sent an Aircraft Carrier to the region
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Post by Big Ted on Jun 24, 2014 1:00:26 GMT 10
Am concerned that this new fighting in Iraq could be another ploy by the US Government so that they can justify taking over the oil supplies and control of Iraq. Remember that Obama promised a complete pull-out of US troops there but with the new fighting, this would force them to go back in. They have already sent an Aircraft Carrier to the region Are you Kidding!  Tell me that you're Joking about this! I'm all for questioning the integrity of Governments across the world but to suggest that Obummer some how has something to do with 10,000 Nutbag Muslims slaughtering and pillaging their way across Iraq is pretty much Tin foil hat time. |
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Post by overlord on Jun 24, 2014 14:50:10 GMT 10
Am concerned that this new fighting in Iraq could be another ploy by the US Government so that they can justify taking over the oil supplies and control of Iraq. Remember that Obama promised a complete pull-out of US troops there but with the new fighting, this would force them to go back in. They have already sent an Aircraft Carrier to the region Are you Kidding! Tell me that you're Joking about this! I'm all for questioning the integrity of Governments across the world but to suggest that Obummer some how has something to do with 10,000 Nutbag Muslims slaughtering and pillaging their way across Iraq is pretty much Tin foil hat time. I didn't say that he had something to do with them, I said that they were after the oil in Iraq (imagine that Iraq supplies about 5% to 10% of the world's oil stock). I won't go into New World Order stuff and all that here but, you get what I mean also. Unfortunately, the US Goblinmint has been known for setting up false flags to justify actions with a hidden interest. Take the WMD issue in Iraq, after they won and they had no WMD to show, their new reason was "the liberation of the people of Iraq". In reality, Bush's companies along with those of Cheney had taken over Iraq and its resources which the Goblinmint can't afford to let go of. 9-11 was a false flag incident, etc. etc. and so on and so forth... False flags were used to make it appear that the interests of the good and many are what is being fought for when in reality, there are vested interests. Did you know that Hitler declared war on Poland "because of the attack of the Polish army and the Germans had a Polish soldier's body to show as justification".... The sad reality was: It was a German dressed as a Polish soldier on orders of Hitler then he was shot to make it appear that the Polish were attacking Germany. This is a known historical fact about WW2. The US is known for going into war with whoever whenever their economy is down. The UN reimburses them and the US also uses it as a showcase for their latest weaponry which they sell to other countries. Let's take the original Desert Storm. There was so many videos on the new precision bombs, bunker busters, F117A aggressors, etc. that the CNN news broadcasts were reminiscent of a TV Home Shopping commercial.... "But wait, if you call now, we will throw in a free Air-Fuel bomb for just purchasing one of our complete sets of bunker busters and JDAM packages..." |
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Post by Big Ted on Jun 24, 2014 22:43:54 GMT 10
Yep Well aware of the Psyops and False flags thats Govt's do and am under no illusions. I just don't see it with this.
Time will tell I suppose. They always make mistakes and leave bread crumbs.
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Post by remnantprep on Jun 25, 2014 9:57:15 GMT 10
Would a bread crumb be that, there are rumours that Some ISIS members were being trained by the US in Jordan last year? When USA was helping rebels/freedom fighters in Syria!
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Post by overlord on Jun 25, 2014 20:26:15 GMT 10
Bingo! They are once again doing the same thing. Isn't it the same with Osama Bin Laden and "The Database" (the english translation of Al-Qaeda) where they were initially funded and trained as the agents of the (you know what agency) as mujahideen in the Afghan War. See this report from Global Research: "Shortly before his untimely death, former British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook told the House of Commons that “Al Qaeda” is not really a terrorist group but a database of international mujaheddin and arms smugglers used by the CIA and Saudis to funnel guerrillas, arms, and money into Soviet-occupied Afghanistan" www.globalresearch.ca/al-qaeda-the-database-2/24738 |
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Post by SA Hunter on Jun 28, 2014 0:21:06 GMT 10
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Post by SA Hunter on Jun 28, 2014 1:57:59 GMT 10
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Post by SA Hunter on Jun 29, 2014 23:04:49 GMT 10
WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report)—After announcing, on Thursday, that it would seek $500 million to help “train and equip appropriately vetted elements of the moderate Syrian armed opposition,” the White House today posted the following Moderate Syrian Rebel Application Form: Welcome to the United States’ Moderate Syrian Rebel Vetting Process. To see if you qualify for $500 million in American weapons, please choose an answer to the following questions: As a Syrian rebel, I think the word or phrase that best describes me is: A) Moderate B) Very moderate C) Crazy moderate D) Other I became a Syrian rebel because I believe in: A) Truth B) Justice C) The American Way D) Creating an Islamic caliphate If I were given a highly lethal automatic weapon by the United States, I would: A) Only kill exactly the people that the United States wanted me to kill B) Try to kill the right people, with the caveat that I have never used an automatic weapon before C) Kill people only after submitting them to a rigorous vetting process D) Immediately let the weapon fall into the wrong hands I have previously received weapons from: A) Al Qaeda B) The Taliban C) North Korea D) I did not receive weapons from any of them because after they vetted me I was deemed way too moderate I consider ISIS: A) An existential threat to Iraq B) An existential threat to Syria C) An existential threat to Iraq and Syria D) The people who will pick up my American weapon after I drop it and run away |
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Post by sentinel on Jul 2, 2014 11:42:00 GMT 10
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Post by AKM. on Jul 3, 2014 21:40:17 GMT 10
Back in the 90's there were more than a few blokes who went back to the former Yugoslavia to fight for the various new states.
And there has always been a steady stream of young Israeli-Aussies going back to Israel for military service; as in the case of Ben Zygier who went back, was recruited to Mossad, apparently stuffed up a mission then committed suicide while in a suicide-proof, monitored prison cell.
Australia and Australians have always stuck their noses into the business of their parent countries- if not out of a sense of patriotism for the olde country, or religious fervour, then maybe just for simple adventure.
Should we monitor these blokes when they come back? Hell yes. Drag them into an AFP office- pump them for all the information they can give, then give them a revisit every year for the next couple of decades just to remind them they are being watched and not to step out of line.
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Post by sentinel on Jul 4, 2014 5:42:43 GMT 10
Sorry AKM - I agree on cracking down on them - but I disagree with your ongoing process with them - this has been going on since the Beirut/Lebanon war in the 80's.
I have a very clear opinion on this - 'IF YOU FIGHT IN ANOTHER COUNTRY, FOR ANOTHER COUNTRY THAT IS INVOLVED IN CONFLICT YOU ARE NO LONGER AN AUSTRALIAN CITIZEN'.
Obviously your loyalties are else ware and not in the country that IS or YOU now call home.
Save the tax dollars - REVOKE CITIZENSHIP RIGHTS - EXPULSION/DEPORTATION to the country you were fighting in!!
There loyalties are divided.
They have forfeited their rights as an Australian Citizen IMHO.
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Post by SA Hunter on Jul 4, 2014 22:55:08 GMT 10
Govt to cut off welfare payments to Aussie terrorists fighting in M.E. This is good. Now why let them back into the country at all? Meanwhile, the fact that they were on the dole but able-bodied enough to go wage jihad halfway around the world shows their contempt for the Australian Infidels: in the jihadis’ view, it is the duty of the kuffar to pay money to the Muslims, as the Qur’an stipulates that they must “pay the jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued” (9:29). So their going on the dole was just a way of getting what they believed to be what was rightfully theirs: the fruit of the labor of the Infidels. “Govt to cut jihadists’ social security,” 9News, July 4, 2014 (thanks to Halal Pork Shop): Australian jihadists fighting in Iraq and Syria are to have their dole payments cut. The federal government estimates about 60 of them, mostly young radicalised Muslim men, are fighting in the two conflicts. Legislation implementing a range of measures against returning jihadists will be introduced to parliament the week after next. Australia didn’t want them back, Attorney-General George Brandis said on Friday. And the government certainly wouldn’t be paying welfare benefits to people who had left Australia to fight in the conflicts. The Crimes (Foreign Incursions and Recruitment) Act 1978 carries a maximum 25-year jail term and the government wants to make it easier to prove someone has participated in a foreign conflict. Under proposed changes, Foreign Minister Julie Bishop will be able to certify a particular region or conflict under the foreign incursions legislation. “There can be a presumption that they were there for no-good purpose,” Senator Brandis told Macquarie Radio. Security laws will be changed to give Australia’s domestic spy agency better access to computer systems. Laws now require ASIO to seek a warrant for a particular computer, which doesn’t allow access to others on the same network. Access to networked systems will be the subject of a single warrant. That will “immensely” enhance ASIO’s capacity to engage in electronic surveillance, Senator Brandis said. www.jihadwatch.org/2014/07/australia-to-cut-welfare-payments-to-muslims-waging-jihad-in-iraq-and-syria |
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Post by Frank on Jul 31, 2014 9:42:41 GMT 10
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Post by wolfstar on Jul 31, 2014 10:14:33 GMT 10
I hate to say it but I honestly would shoot them on sight at the airport if it was my call. There should be a zero tolerance policy against people defecting to terrorist states.
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Post by pheniox17 on Jul 31, 2014 10:34:05 GMT 10
They go and fight, LET THEM, remove Australian citizenship and all Commonwealth rites!!! We have free choice!! bit a consaquence that matches action  (This means they give up everything) |
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Post by Frank on Jul 31, 2014 11:02:35 GMT 10
Yep, as soon as you turn your back on your country, that's the end of it. No passport, no citizenship, nothing
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Post by overlord on Jul 31, 2014 12:50:46 GMT 10
It is not the ones who will fly in that you would need to worry about but the "sleepers" that are already there inside Australia. IMHO Some may even act and behave like they didn't belong to that sect/religion to cover up their real identity. |
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