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Post by ausprep130 on Nov 3, 2022 18:34:14 GMT 10
I suspect just before the collapse, that the Govt pr..ks will go door to door, confiscating weapons. They know who has them and where they are, All in the one place, so defense of your people will take on a renewed importance. Anyone notice when Australia started to go woke ? It seemed to get worse after the gun confiscation period after Port Arthur. Until then, I think people had a self defense mentality and the Govt jerks knew that if they messed with us too much they would be on the wrong end of a shotgun or similar. A disarmed population is ripe for tyranny. Also, it has left us open to invasion from outside forces. Look up 'slamfire' on the net. Definition of democracy 1:when the elites choose two puppets for you to vote for and you get scr...d either way. Yes. This is a hallmark of authoritarianism. The Nastys went straight for registered weapons whenever they occupied a country. Modern day authoritarian regimes will all ban private ownership. Random stop and search of someone who has committed no crime is not legal for police to do to a regular citizen, yet if you have a registered firearm, the police can walk into your home without you having committed any crime. This is authoritarianism. Not sure about where you live but in Vic they need to give 24hrs notice. They came unannounced to a mates house once and he refused to let them in. The next day 6-8 cops rocked up expecting trouble but he just let them in. No issues. All was in order.
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Post by frostbite on Nov 3, 2022 18:57:49 GMT 10
In NSW the police have to give prior notice to conduct a safe storage inspection.
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Post by norseman on Nov 4, 2022 5:24:56 GMT 10
In NSW the police have to give prior notice to conduct a safe storage inspection. Yes and years ago I personally had the effwit boss of the local Highway Patrol hoon up our road into my place in an unmarked patrol car, jump out wearing T-Shirt, Jeans and Running Shoes and tell me he was here to conduct a Safe Storage Inspection without any prior arrangement and without even presenting any Police ID! When I pointed out to him he was abusing the law he denied it (he was totally ignorant)! Anyway I relented and let him proceed but the dickhead had no idea what he was doing so I had to help him fill out his paperwork to complete the inspection. Later I then reported this to my Lawyer mates who are also members and office bearers of my local hunting club just to keep it on record. This was in the time Barry O'farktard was premier, the cops were so overburdened with his dummfark order to check everyone's firearms in NSW that in remote areas they were sending highway patrols in off the highway to check rural and regional "safe storage". I wonder what the NSW Police monitoring the forum think of their colleague's performance, care to comment boys and girls?
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Post by frostbite on Nov 4, 2022 5:52:01 GMT 10
I've only had a couple of inspections in the last 18 years. Both prearranged, both went smoothly. During one the cop was far more interested in my Yamaha R1 sporstbike, he wanted to know how fast it went. When I told him 110km/h he burst out laughing.
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Post by malewithatail on Nov 4, 2022 7:29:29 GMT 10
Local cop came around to get some honey, saw the gun safe and asked if he could do an inspection. No worry's, all OK, paperwork in order, then he said that we would probably never hear from them again, that was over 15 years ago.
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Post by bushdoc2 on Nov 5, 2022 6:00:36 GMT 10
Took Qld police over a decade to check me. I stopped counting after at least 6 major mistakes: wrong name, wrong address, wrong guns. But thanks to WLB, I now know an address in Brisbane where it's worth burgling. Yay, they made it easier for crims, which somehow makes us all safer.
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Post by moopere on Nov 7, 2022 15:02:10 GMT 10
I suspect just before the collapse, that the Govt pr..ks will go door to door, confiscating weapons. They know who has them and where they are, All in the one place, so defense of your people will take on a renewed importance. I don't know that this probable activity will prove to be the start of a societal collapse, I think it will happen well in advance and under the guise of 'keeping us safe' - god how many times have we heard abuse couched in those terms over the last 24 months? I'm quite concerned that on the long road to authoritarianism, one we now appear to be running down with the pedal to the metal, this is going to be coming for us sooner rather than later. We were put to the test during the last couple of years and proved to all the world, but more importantly to our masters, that we will accept basically any amount of abuse. Any and all of it. Numbers who pushed back at all are reported at something like 6-10% .. I reckon there'd be 20% who just need the right stimulation, but its no-where near enough and far too distributed to make any sort of political change. Aside from a general rant on the state of the nation I really do wonder when those knocks at the door will start to happen. Its a real problem. If things have already descended into chaos then the response is clear and relatively easy - a measured and calmly toned conversation through a closed door about whether today is going to be _that_ day to the enforcement goon on the other side. In my view though things are likely to be far more muddy than that. If a law was tabled today that banned all private ownership of firearms it would almost certainly pass with nary a whisper of dissent - and our masters know this too (now). You'd get a bit of noise from north QLD members and some spotty response from regional members in other states but not enough to stop it. So the enforcers arrive at your door tomorrow, ready to enforce ... When I was a boy you could buy ammo at woolworths and rifle registration wasn't a thing. I was very young and didn't know the detail but I do remember my old Dad complaining loudly when it became mandatory to be licensed and later to have your weapons registered. We were farmers at the time and there were guns everywhere and no-one knew where they were or where they came from. Everyone knew where this was ultimately going to lead, and now, 40-50 years later here we are. Those on the black side of the law are now as they've always been, but its us, the sheeples who are under threat ... perhaps thats how its always been as well (sigh ...) Anyone notice when Australia started to go woke ? It seemed to get worse after the gun confiscation period after Port Arthur. Until then, I think people had a self defense mentality and the Govt jerks knew that if they messed with us too much they would be on the wrong end of a shotgun or similar. A disarmed population is ripe for tyranny. Also, it has left us open to invasion from outside forces. I don't know. I know I vowed never to forgive the libs after JH and his mugs brought in the confiscation. I think the whole woke thing came many years later, at least in my world. I'm not even sure if I bumped into the term before about 2005-6 or so. I guess though that whatever we call it, the move towards this type of ideal started much much earlier. If I had to cast a guess I'd say its the concentration of the population into the major cities thats doing it. I wonder if its a similar phenomenon to the large USA cities so many of which are blue and some of which are totally woke and broken. Not to draw a link between the US and AU, we're different on so many levels, but it does make me wonder whether there is just an innate human response to living in massive metropolis's which causes this.
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Post by moopere on Nov 7, 2022 15:12:19 GMT 10
In NSW the police have to give prior notice to conduct a safe storage inspection. Theres been a few responses along these lines, not trying to single yours out. I think the intent of the post mentioning: "yet if you have a registered firearm, the police can walk into your home without you having committed any crime. This is authoritarianism." .. is that you're not a criminal, prior notice or not, why are the police coming into your home? Really? Think about it. The obvious answer is to observe the application of law re: firearms storage and custody. But at the point where they are standing on your porch knocking on your door there is (or should be) no presumption of having committed an offense ... so what are we submitting to here?
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Post by ausprep130 on Nov 7, 2022 16:22:47 GMT 10
In NSW the police have to give prior notice to conduct a safe storage inspection. Theres been a few responses along these lines, not trying to single yours out. I think the intent of the post mentioning: "yet if you have a registered firearm, the police can walk into your home without you having committed any crime. This is authoritarianism." .. is that you're not a criminal, prior notice or not, why are the police coming into your home? Really? Think about it. The obvious answer is to observe the application of law re: firearms storage and custody. But at the point where they are standing on your porch knocking on your door there is (or should be) no presumption of having committed an offense ... so what are we submitting to here? If it is authoritarianism then so be it. A certain amount of authoritarianism is required to keep society functioning well. Police conducting random breath tests would also be authoritarian. I'll go out on a limb here and say almost all people want Police out there conducting random breath tests. Whilst they catch a number silly enough to drive while affected by drugs/alcohol, it also deters many more from driving while affected by drugs/alcohol. And roads are much safer as a result.
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Post by malewithatail on Nov 7, 2022 16:48:43 GMT 10
Before Port Arthur, I carried a loaded 22 semi auto in my Landrover, into town as well. Nobody knew it was there, licensing wasn't required nor was registration of the weapon. Now, u need to be a Primary Producer to get a class C semi auto license. At least its free as are permits to acquire for PP's.
Out here, there are quite a few farmers who never registered any weapons, nor got a license. They will never, ever find all the weapons held in Australia.
The whole licensing issue is ridiculous. A workable weapon can be built from about $25 worth of stuff you can buy at Bunnings, using only a battery electric drill, no welding or lathe work needed.
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Post by moopere on Nov 7, 2022 18:48:45 GMT 10
Theres been a few responses along these lines, not trying to single yours out. I think the intent of the post mentioning: "yet if you have a registered firearm, the police can walk into your home without you having committed any crime. This is authoritarianism." .. is that you're not a criminal, prior notice or not, why are the police coming into your home? Really? Think about it. The obvious answer is to observe the application of law re: firearms storage and custody. But at the point where they are standing on your porch knocking on your door there is (or should be) no presumption of having committed an offense ... so what are we submitting to here? If it is authoritarianism then so be it. A certain amount of authoritarianism is required to keep society functioning well. Police conducting random breath tests would also be authoritarian. I'll go out on a limb here and say almost all people want Police out there conducting random breath tests. Whilst they catch a number silly enough to drive while affected by drugs/alcohol, it also deters many more from driving while affected by drugs/alcohol. And roads are much safer as a result. I certainly won't argue the case for _more_ drink driving However, its easy to cross the line from maintaining the peace and enforcing community agreed standards into becoming authoritarian which is quite a different beast. On drink driving testing, I've seen a little bit of the movement coming out of the US on this issue. If your behaviour provides no reason to assume criminal behaviour then ... well ... again, what are we submitting to? The whole idea of checking to see if you're breaking the law ... because its not obvious at all if you are. It makes me scratch my chin. Why not allow enforcement agents into your home whenever they knock at the door? Whether or not they have a warrant or a reason should be immaterial right? Nothing to hide then nothing to fear? Something like that. I get it, some allowance needs to be made to have a functioning society, it can't be anarchy and infinite personal freedom - but fishing for potential law breaches or misdemeanors just seems like a first world problem .. we've got nothing more pressing to worry about? I wonder how many parking tickets are being handed out in north eastern Ukraine right now? Or enforcement of unpaid speeding fines?
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Post by moopere on Nov 7, 2022 19:13:26 GMT 10
Out here, there are quite a few farmers who never registered any weapons, nor got a license. They will never, ever find all the weapons held in Australia. Although I live in the city now I grew up in regional farming areas and know the above to be true. However, theres a big problem with the viability of weapons that are out of the registration loop: - Getting them serviced or repaired is an issue. If you know someone in the game you might be ok, but theres risk for everyone - More pressing is getting ammo. If you've got an old 303 or even a 22 in the wardrobe, how do you buy ammo for it without having a license for a weapon of the same calibre? The whole licensing issue is ridiculous. A workable weapon can be built from about $25 worth of stuff you can buy at Bunnings, using only a battery electric drill, no welding or lathe work needed. Yes true, but as per my comment above - ammo is an issue. Ammo use isn't tracked so with the right group of friends you'll get by, but its all jumping through hoops ... and for what? This type of ridiculousness can transform a law-abiding citizen into a criminal. .. and theres the rub. Criminals with intent will do what they're going to do. Nothing has changed in the last 50 years wrt to that and, frankly, probably much longer back than that. So whats all this hoop jumping and hand wringing and paper pushing, cost and pain really for? Well, civil firearm crime is and has always been a vanishingly small problem in Australia. But if you want to enforce more than a mildly unpopular reform on a population - well - you certainly don't want them armed. If there's going to be force multipliers involved you (being the enacting agency) want your opposition to be far inferior to you in terms of their possible responses. Heres a throw away and mischievous example: Why are Australian beat police personally armed? Really? Why? There are no open or concealed carry rights in Australia for civilians. In a given year across the entirety of Australia how many beat police are going to respond to an event where the antagonist is armed with a firearm? Its a tiny number. Of those few how many are registered firearms?
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Post by frostbite on Nov 7, 2022 19:56:09 GMT 10
Many people carry knives. The police have a policy of bringing a gun to a knife fight.
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Post by bug on Nov 8, 2022 8:47:54 GMT 10
Theres been a few responses along these lines, not trying to single yours out. I think the intent of the post mentioning: "yet if you have a registered firearm, the police can walk into your home without you having committed any crime. This is authoritarianism." .. is that you're not a criminal, prior notice or not, why are the police coming into your home? Really? Think about it. The obvious answer is to observe the application of law re: firearms storage and custody. But at the point where they are standing on your porch knocking on your door there is (or should be) no presumption of having committed an offense ... so what are we submitting to here? If it is authoritarianism then so be it. A certain amount of authoritarianism is required to keep society functioning well. Police conducting random breath tests would also be authoritarian. I'll go out on a limb here and say almost all people want Police out there conducting random breath tests. Whilst they catch a number silly enough to drive while affected by drugs/alcohol, it also deters many more from driving while affected by drugs/alcohol. And roads are much safer as a result. Breath testing has nothing in common with this. You are going to the police in a public space where you know they operate in advance, not them coming to onto your property without notice. Breath testing is also for everyone as opposed to singling one group out for it. Unless there is reasonable suspicion that a crime has been committed, targetted 'stop and search' has been defined as a form of harassment. Police can get themselves into big trouble if caught doing it. This is the same. A targetted group with no reasonable suspicion of a crime having been committed, being targetted by police with no advance warning or *gasp* requesting permission to enter. It is harassment.
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Post by spatial on Nov 21, 2022 21:19:26 GMT 10
European Blackouts guaranteed this comming winter, Instructing citizens to prep. German Disaster Official Recommends Stockpiling 'Several Crates' Of Water, Canned Food What to do? Stock up... "Primarily water, several crates, and canned food. That would be enough for ten days. That's what my agency recommends… Our message is: prepare in the first place. Be prepared for possible crises, don't assume that everything will be readily available all the time," Tiesler stated, adding that residents should also purchase battery-powered radios and candles. www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/german-official-recommends-stockpiling-several-crates-water-canned-food-winter
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Post by spatial on Nov 23, 2022 18:22:01 GMT 10
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Post by malewithatail on Nov 24, 2022 7:14:11 GMT 10
In relation to the 'Law' re gun searches, when society is breaking down, that 'law' will be forgotten and wont stop the bureaucracy from confiscating what they like, preps included. You will be accused of 'hording', and indeed, laws are on the books re it.
Cache....now people.
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Post by dadbod on Nov 24, 2022 7:31:51 GMT 10
In relation to the 'Law' re gun searches, when society is breaking down, that 'law' will be forgotten and wont stop the bureaucracy from confiscating what they like, preps included. You will be accused of 'hording', and indeed, laws are on the books re it. Cache....now people. My other vehicle is a Galaxy class star ship. I think during a collapse police will be trying to maintain control rather than going after some bolt actions. besides, police are part of society too, so their structures will likely collapse as well, possibly before that decision is made. That being said, I make sure that my safe is for guns and ammo only. no other items are stored in that safe. ie cash, valuables, knifes etc.
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Post by spatial on Nov 24, 2022 9:12:13 GMT 10
In relation to the 'Law' re gun searches, when society is breaking down, that 'law' will be forgotten and wont stop the bureaucracy from confiscating what they like, preps included. You will be accused of 'hording', and indeed, laws are on the books re it. Cache....now people. Most of my preps are stored grains/beans, and tin goods, pressure canned food, dehydrated and placed in mylar bags. All past expiry date, gov would declarer them unsafe and just throw them away. I can't see gov going after individual preps. There are many grain silos with millions of tones of food, big food suppliers keep fresh food for up to a year like apples in cold storage, fishing trawlers, primary producers is where gov will be confiscating food. One or two cows would be equivalent too all my stored proteins. The effort to hut down preppers, confiscate any usable food would take more resources than what they would recover.
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