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Post by moopere on Nov 24, 2022 13:11:30 GMT 10
In relation to the 'Law' re gun searches, when society is breaking down, that 'law' will be forgotten and wont stop the bureaucracy from confiscating what they like, preps included. You will be accused of 'hording', and indeed, laws are on the books re it. Cache....now people. My other vehicle is a Galaxy class star ship. I think during a collapse police will be trying to maintain control rather than going after some bolt actions. besides, police are part of society too, so their structures will likely collapse as well, possibly before that decision is made. That being said, I make sure that my safe is for guns and ammo only. no other items are stored in that safe. ie cash, valuables, knifes etc. Ultimately I think the above is likely true. However my thoughts are that there is likely to be an extremely dangerous period where things are getting bad enough that street protests and riots are a thing, yet we're not in full WROL. People are hungry, street violence is claiming lives on both the civilian and enforcement side and panicked leadership start implementing existing law or creating new law (or likely both!) whereby it becomes illegal to do certain things, like storing food, or weapons, ammo, fuel, etc. I wouldn't be in the slightest bit surprised if authorities in this transition period did suburban sweeps of personal homes looking for 'contraband'. The reason a period like this is likely to be so dangerous is that enforcement structures are going to still be largely in place. So if you choose not to comply, there is still a significant capacity to force your hand and you won't realistically be able to resist that force. Once (if) WROL comes to us the situation is quite different. A band of armed up civilians would be too tough a nut to crack and there would still be low hanging fruit elsewhere. Before this time you'll just invite enforcement from para military which realistically, no ordinary prepper would be able to resist. I'm sure we've all seen the blacked out Bearcats speeding down the freeway - those guys are seriously well equipped and, frankly, to give them their due, well trained too - you'd need a professional ex-military militia to even have half a hope against them. This whole strategy would be completely wrong from the preppers perspective anyway. We've not talking about fighting the good fight in a civil war sense - its about surviving challenging and dangerous times, get out the other side alive and hopefully build a future. I'm beginning to ponder a strategy whereby the first response is to BO to somewhere where people don't know who you are and you aren't reliant upon local resources like power/food/etc. Not forever, but for a 'transition' period. Into the bush (so to speak) for 3-6-9 months. Things will either get better or worse, but you need to not be visible to the authorities for that duration. Draconian law and 'sweeps' of the population are only relevant if the powers that be have access to you.
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Post by spatial on Nov 24, 2022 13:57:57 GMT 10
If confiscations start, it will be on social media and the like. One will need to move anything that will likely be a sort after item by law enforcement. Generally things are a slow grind then a catastrophic failure.
One day you wake up and all bank accounts are frozen, no fuel no food unless you have cash. Law enforcement are way to thin in Aus to be effective. It there are riots they call in national police move persons from other areas in to improve effectiveness and security. Even manning a breath test road stop takes a lot of coordination from police. Once looting and rioting is wide spread, security will just control key areas, shopping complexes hospitals etc.. the rest will be every man for themselves. This has played out over and over again in flooding, bushfires, in the US after natural disasters the looting and rioting is uncontrolled.
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Post by norseman on Nov 24, 2022 14:19:17 GMT 10
Just make sure you are away on a hunting trip when the s**** come knocking on your door (sorry if I've offended any police or feds monitoring the forum).
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Post by dadbod on Nov 24, 2022 21:09:08 GMT 10
yeah, theres no way they would go door to door. It just would be too big a task.
I keep adjusting my plan. but I think we would consolidate family to our house, and wait anything out here. Here are all our preps and items and connections. I would be tempted to go to our fish shack, but its nearly 5 hours away through large towns and theres not much once we get there.
I think if we left our place, there would be nothing to come back to after 6 months. Here we can fish, forage, hunt and grow food, so thats a good start.
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Post by malewithatail on Nov 25, 2022 7:37:40 GMT 10
yeah, theres no way they would go door to door. It just would be too big a task. I keep adjusting my plan. but I think we would consolidate family to our house, and wait anything out here. Here are all our preps and items and connections. I would be tempted to go to our fish shack, but its nearly 5 hours away through large towns and theres not much once we get there. I think if we left our place, there would be nothing to come back to after 6 months. Here we can fish, forage, hunt and grow food, so thats a good start. Same here, no alternate BOL, but we are at our BOL now. Gardens established, water, power, and so on. Plenty of room for animals, sheep, cows, chocks, rabbits etc. Comms set up, accommodation for all family members and over 50 k from a large (5,000) person town. Not planning to move as we have it all here, but never say never.
National Park one property over, with creeks and some game. Not planning to bug out, but have basic camping gear, portable comms, water purifying, dried food etc.
For defense, a 12 g shotgun, no choke for better dispersion, and 12 g ammo is getting expensive, but available. No problems last week buying 500 rounds from gun shop in big city. A 22 with scope, torch and red dot for food, with several 1,000 rounds is not expensive. Ammo cached.
Keeping away from anywhere near the coast as a tsunami may be part of the end times, especially looking at all the earth quakes happening at present. We are 150 k inland, and 150 meters high, so should be safe. No flood risk to dwellings or gardens, but the wetlands do flood in heavy rain, cutting off access to the other side of the property till the water falls. That's why they are called wetlands !
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Post by malewithatail on Dec 6, 2022 14:23:26 GMT 10
I had thought about that sort of senerio before, but dismissed it as 'sh.tting in your own nest'.
Added incentive to get off grid, its winter over there and without electric to run their furnace blowers, they are gunna get cold, quickly, with pipes freezing etc. Its nearly 100 deg f here at present, and Im glad we are here. Cant stand the cold.
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Post by spatial on Dec 8, 2022 5:18:39 GMT 10
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Post by malewithatail on Dec 8, 2022 8:50:19 GMT 10
If confiscations start, it will be on social media and the like. One will need to move anything that will likely be a sort after item by law enforcement. Generally things are a slow grind then a catastrophic failure. One day you wake up and all bank accounts are frozen, no fuel no food unless you have cash. Law enforcement are way to thin in Aus to be effective. It there are riots they call in national police move persons from other areas in to improve effectiveness and security. Even manning a breath test road stop takes a lot of coordination from police. Once looting and rioting is wide spread, security will just control key areas, shopping complexes hospitals etc.. the rest will be every man for themselves. This has played out over and over again in flooding, bushfires, in the US after natural disasters the looting and rioting is uncontrolled. And also, the shoot-ups of power station and sub station infrastructure in the US. Our facilities are woefully unprotected, just a screening of bush can dissuade a shooter from shooting out a sub. Expect these facilities to be targeted by the rioters WTSHTF. Are you prepared with alternate power and water supplies ? Its been a wake up to a number of preppers in the US that I am in touch with on the Ham radio network, to double up on their electric supply preps.
I also note that a service station in Philadelphia, has hired a private guard force with AR15's to overcome the robbery's and vandalism he is suffering from. And then there is the de-fund the Police calling. That can only end badly.
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Post by malewithatail on Dec 8, 2022 9:49:36 GMT 10
How long does an unopened stubby of bear last ? Interesting question, and of some relevance I suppose to prepping in a round about way !
Whilst cleaning out the cupboard in the radio room caravan, I came across 2 stubbies of XXXX with a best before date of 2/3/2016. Was it still OK ?
Short answer, yes, but, not really frothy, but tasted OK.
6 1/2 years over its best by date, and still drinkable. Ill drink to that ! Cheers.
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Post by ausprep130 on Dec 8, 2022 16:40:32 GMT 10
How long does an unopened stubby of bear last ? Interesting question, and of some relevance I suppose to prepping in a round about way ! Whilst cleaning out the cupboard in the radio room caravan, I came across 2 stubbies of XXXX with a best before date of 2/3/2016. Was it still OK ? Short answer, yes, but, not really frothy, but tasted OK. 6 1/2 years over its best by date, and still drinkable. Ill drink to that ! Cheers. Im a multitasker. I can listen, ignore, and forget all at the same time ! That's because XXXX taste is so bad to begin with that it can only improve with age But seriously, a good bottle condition beer should improve with age up to a point. Noticeable improvement up to about 3yrs but not noticeable after that. I would not risk it after 6yrs though. Pasteurised beer such as VB, Tooheys and XXXX has nothing alive in it to improve the beer with age. I suppose it can be argued the other way too. UV and wild fluctuations in temperature will spoil beer.
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Post by malewithatail on Dec 8, 2022 17:02:53 GMT 10
Used to brew my own beer and 6 months was the limit for still being drinkable, any longer and bottles tended to explode due to secondary fermentation.
Now gunna brew mead, probably safer !
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Post by malewithatail on Dec 8, 2022 17:05:58 GMT 10
All that has to happen is to uphold the constitution, same here, throw all the corrupt and inept dead heads Polyfilths out, and call new elections, overseen by the Military if needed.
We live in times where smart people are silenced so that stupid people are not offended.
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Post by bug on Dec 9, 2022 8:21:26 GMT 10
After the soviet break up, people were stealing entire transformers from substations.
1) Black out the substation by shorting a line. A wire attached to some balloons will do this. 2) The locals are used to blackouts and there's no repair crew coming, nor any security. 3) Break in. 4) Use a crane truck to steal transformer.
You can imagine what this did to the electricity supply when the govt has no money to repair it.
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Post by moopere on Dec 10, 2022 1:08:23 GMT 10
I also note that a service station in Philadelphia, has hired a private guard force with AR15's to overcome the robbery's and vandalism he is suffering from. And then there is the de-fund the Police calling. That can only end badly.
Yeah I saw that on Youtube. When the cops won't help you, or perhaps can't and there is no justice for those apprehended anyway, well, it can only end like this, or ultimately vigilantism. At least in the USA you have such an option - how is it dealt with here? How can it be dealt with? Part of what I do means I interact with some types of businesses like your typical corner quickimark. They get robbed by customers continually, often multiple times per week. It small scale stuff, people thieving what they can reasonably grab and run with, but its real and costs money, as well as stress on the employees. Often the thieves will make a complete mess of the store, a mini 30 second rampage if you like, before running off with an armful of samboy chips. Over here in the west the cops will eventually arrive, take a statement and then be on their way. I've never heard of anything being pursued though ... perhaps people get caught, but if so my customers aren't telling me about it ... or they don't know themselves. Basically seems to me that if you've got brass balls you can pretty much get away with almost anything. Whats the store clerk actually going to do in a situation like this? Put themselves at every sort of risk, including legal, by engaging in fisticuffs?
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Post by malewithatail on Dec 10, 2022 7:59:58 GMT 10
I can see a time when retail food store are all closed, even the big one like Coles and Wollies, due to the robbery's. Another reason to get off grid with food as well as water and electric etc.
I note that in some areas in USA you prepay for petrol before you fill up. Not that hard to implement either. Its only a short step to not serving you if they don't like the color of your car/skin etc.
I'm pretty sure my last words will be, "well shit, that didn't work !"
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Post by bug on Dec 10, 2022 9:33:16 GMT 10
Prepay fuel after 9pm was tried here. It didn't last long.
Defund the police people will get what they made. The wealthy will have private security and be fine. The fashionable inner city burbs that the woke lot live in will be hyper criminal ghettos. Those who called to defund the police will inevitably become victims of crime.
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Post by tactile on Dec 10, 2022 9:59:39 GMT 10
US members could chime in here but I thought the US was pre-paid for a long time, way before riots, Covid etc.
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Post by moopere on Dec 11, 2022 1:13:25 GMT 10
I think Costco over here in Perth does pre-pay for fuel. Its the one thing thats stopping me using them actually. How much fuel do I need? I usually fill-er-up but how much will that be in advance? If I overpay then I have to go see the staff and get a refund. What a PITA.
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