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Post by remnantprep on Jul 26, 2014 19:48:21 GMT 10
You see a large mob breaking into your neighbor's house, you know he is there with his wife and children. You have about two dozen rounds of ammo, roughly one for each mob member. You are the only person capable of defending your own family. The mob passed your house and didn't notice you all at all. Would you step out of the shadows and risk your own life to help your neighbor or would you stay safe and protect your own family? Why?
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Post by pheniox17 on Jul 26, 2014 20:09:05 GMT 10
Faced with a mob of 24 (roughly) neighbor if armed and able to put up a fight, its likely I won't
I'm NOT RAMBO 24 people vs 1 is piss poor odds...
But while the mob is focused on the neighbor its way past time to bug out, time to go, no way its safe with a roving gang, use the cover of darkness to take me and mine to a much safer place
If i had more ammo, still do the same
In reality i wont be in this sitution...
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Post by beckles on Jul 26, 2014 20:45:00 GMT 10
Given the unruliness of my current neighbour's kids, I'd be betting the mob would be fleeing for their lives (serial-killer-in-training is what we call their son to ourselves - one scary little dude!) However, in this CONFLICT scenario, a mob of that size would have to have a large amount of weapons themselves, and know how to use them. 2 dozen rounds of ammo, against such a group, are very poor odds, even if I was SAS trained or Jason Bourne . I would be using the time the mob is focussed on the neighbour to get my own family out safely. If that wasn't immediately possible (still daylight, some of the mob milling around outside), I'd quietly secure the house as much as possible, hide any visible evidence of us, and have the family bunker down in area of the house with a possible escape route (ie side window etc). As much as you'd like to help others, in this instance, trying to help and failing (and realistically, the odds would be on the side of the mob) would only hurt my family. That said, if I knew my neighbour was next door with his wife and family and were that friendly that I would risk myself and my family to help, well I would have approached them before that point to join forces and (hopefully) would be in this situation.
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Post by wolfstar on Jul 27, 2014 10:04:47 GMT 10
Well if I delayed leaving, considering my neighborhood, this is a very tall possible threat fire my family.
I'm no Rambo but I have more ways to finish or drop a man than with a gun. In a house most weapons they have are ineffective ( in mobs around here rifles, poles and knives are the average), mine are not. I'd come in from behind, take them by surprise, shoot any that have caught on and are a greater danger or who themselves are armed, and if they were smart they would withdraw. If not, well so be it.
Then I would ensure the family mobilized, and without saying we would also move out.
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Post by squirrelbait on Jul 27, 2014 11:29:15 GMT 10
Wolfstar is right, Catch them from behind and hope the neighbor joins in. Hopefully I would have an alliance with the neighbor before it came to this.
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Post by OSFG on Jul 28, 2014 11:33:17 GMT 10
double posted some how...sorry
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Post by Frank on Jul 28, 2014 11:37:21 GMT 10
Wow....good scenario..
Firstly, I will assume that the SHTF is a complete meltdown of society and there is no longer law. Secondly, my current neighbours are nice family and we get along with them quiet well, making this a difficult situation to be in....
I know that my neighbour is not a hunter, shooter or "prepper" in any way and even though he is a nice fella, I can't imagine him being able to put up much of a fight against a mob of 20+ violent people. This leaves it up to me/my family to take on a mob of that size alone, using up our ammo and putting us at huge risk of becoming targets ourselves. I can shoot and know how to defend myself, but taking on a crowd of this size is not something think I could do with any degree of success without exposing my family to unnecessary danger. That being said, if we were bugging out and the opportunity came to take a few out while escaping then I would do so.
My wife and daughter (under 12 months old) are the most important things to me and I would do my best not to endanger them in anyway. Would I feel like a coward for not helping, yes I would, but the safety of family would come first.
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Post by OSFG on Jul 28, 2014 11:43:31 GMT 10
depends on if the Mob has projectile weapons...If not then I'm going in and clearing rooms one by one...while my family hides at our rendezvous point. but I wouldn't go in with only that few amount of rounds and the number of people in an armed mob. You are simply facing an enemy while having to approach from the outside across a yard towards them within a structure. Although a house is far from protective cover (unless it's brick and your weapon is small caliber or shotgun). This gives you limited approach vectors and few methods of entry just doors or windows. Any way you slice it...after the first round, your either attempting to gain a foot hold into the house against an armed enemy, or if you managed to sneak in you are now room clearing against this armed enemy. I have cleared buildings and rooms all over Iraq and Afghanistan. Not something I would ever do with one person and with less than a full M4 mag of ammo against an armed mob.
If they were armed I would probably give the order for my family to start moving to our next link up point and after they had left Then I'd sneak over and set the damn house on fire with a gas can from 3 sides then as they (the Mob)ran out the fourth side, I'd try to sneak in and see if I could get them out the back way through the fire. If I couldn't, better for them to die from smoke inhalation then countless hours of rape and torture from the mob... but that's only my uninformed thoughts at this moment. Hopefully I could find a better alternative.
Oh forgot to add the why? Because I have 4 boys and I'll be damned if they see their old man cower like scared little girl at the thought of getting hurt. I also believe in God and I think God would want me to do that just as I would want my kids to do that if they were able. Having that belief helps me decide because I do place the safety of my family into his hands. I firmly believe...when it's all over...we will be together again. If I'm wrong...well then we're dead and what the hell difference does it matter anyways.
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Post by StepfordRenegade on Jul 28, 2014 12:36:29 GMT 10
I would stay safe and protect my own family, without a doubt.
1. 24:1 would be terrible odds even if I was a crack shot (which I'm not). Depending on the type of gun I was using, reloading could give them enough time to overpower me. I have minimal combat skills and zero combat experience.
2. If I'm REALLY lucky, I might take a few of them out before they get me. However, that would alert the remainder of a really, REALLY ticked off mob that there are more people in the area. They would be baying for blood and my family would be undefended.
3. If I go over there guns blazing people WILL die. Myself almost certainly included. If I don't go over, there's a chance that the mob will just ransack them and leave.
4. If it were possible, I would warn the family - ONLY if I could do so while not alerting the mob to my presence (and only after telling my family to grab their BOBs and head to our designated local evac point). Ideally my neighbour and I would have an early warning system already set up.
Regardless, my family and I would get the heck outta there (my neighbour might flee to our place, and I'd be bugging out anyway if there were mobs).
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Post by overlord on Jul 31, 2014 14:12:53 GMT 10
Some questions: 1) The mere fact that you and your neighbor have not bonded when SHTF or plans have been made to join forces, I would keep things quiet first. There should have been a tie-up when SHTF happened and combination of resources. 2) 24 rounds? that's kinda small. A Glock with 2 mags has more than that. The moment you fire the first shot, at least half the mob will rush you and make you their target so unless you have a full-auto assault rifle and have more than 1 firearm, lay low first.
So unless they were Ohana, I would suggest keeping low. "Ohana means Family means Nobody gets left behind..."
Darn... I should stop watching these toons with my little kid while I do my work in my handy dandy notebook with my handy dandy pen... kept in my "Backpack, Backpack..." LOL
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Post by StepfordRenegade on Jul 31, 2014 14:14:51 GMT 10
*off topic posts cleaned up*
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Post by overlord on Jul 31, 2014 14:22:00 GMT 10
Sorry, for the hijack. Didn't realize this was a contest... My reply was based on a straightforward analysis. That if you and your neighbor were meant to support each other, then it should have been done in the beginning. Take the case of "The Day After" and some other Doomsday books and movies, people meant to be together, plan together and join forces the moment SHTF happens. So if SHTF happens and you have not grouped up (prior, during, and after), then you are better off fending for yourselves unless you wanna be a hero and put your family at risk. My daughter makes me watch with her... We better stop talking toons. I might start quoting Hiccup and Toothless haha
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Post by Nighthawk on Aug 19, 2014 18:02:13 GMT 10
2) 24 rounds? that's kinda small. A Glock with 2 mags has more than that. Sadly down here, semi-automatic pistols are limited to ten round magazines. I have multiple mags and I shoot IPSC as well so am half-decent at changing them out in the midst of the action. That said: "Even at my best, I could never defeat that many."
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2014 15:18:59 GMT 10
I would shoot to kill. Your neighbour would wake and join in with his obvious preparations and you would easily kill half with their backs turned!
The rest would run as they don't know how much ammunition you have left and have no hiding place.
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Post by Ammo9 on Aug 23, 2014 22:34:58 GMT 10
Given this situation, I'm going to assume that law enforcement has ceased. Firstly let's look at my situation. I live with my parents, and for the sake of the situation let's say my dad is injured and cannot assist. Their safety is important to me but not the same primal instinct to protect ones children (I don't have any (confirmed)). Next, 2 dozen rounds of what, for what is important. A handgun is nice but a 22 each ain't gonna cut it. In the same but opposite regard 12g is great but a double barrel against 24 isn't good either.
Let's assume the only gun I've got is the first gun I bought, it's a cat b and anyone can get a/b licence. 7600p in .308 with 10round mags. 24 rounds is 4 in one, two with 10. 130gr solid copper hollow points btw.
Next let's look at the threat. A mob. Worse, a mob without any law enforcement around. A mob has strengths and weaknesses like anything. I see the strengths it has against me as numbers, adrenaline and if they're already in my neighbours house then it also has the initiative. It's vulnerabilities though are it lacks a chain of command, probably has low morale but by that I mean they are confident at the moment but that confidence is easily shaken, may or may not have firearms but probably not given that most mob members want to avoid making themselves stand out, and finally the mob has a driver.
In a mob this small there is probably only one maybe two people directing the actions of the group.
I would have to help my neighbour. 4rnd mag in first. Empty it as fast as possible into the 4 most violent offenders I can see. Quick mag change then begin yelling for everyone to get the fook out. If people turn on me, they get shot. If people run, they get told to drop any weapons. If anyone tries to control the mob other than me, they get shot. The trick with controlling a mob is being the most violent mother****er there. Who do they listen to, the guy in the back or the guy up front with a stolen police baton and a lit Molotov? Be the most violent person there. Get the mob to leave. Then get my neighbours and my own family the he'll out of there.
I'm not going to enter my neighbours house though to get the mob out. Clearing with a pumpaction rifle is worse than herpes
Inb4 "settle down rambo"
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Post by gasman on Aug 26, 2014 21:22:16 GMT 10
If I have only 2 dozen rounds I have failed as a prepper
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Post by Res-Q on Aug 26, 2014 21:46:25 GMT 10
I'm stuffed I dont have FULL AUTO on my compound bow Seriously, If we aren't already on the same page before this moment, It aint happening
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Post by StepfordRenegade on Sept 10, 2014 12:38:51 GMT 10
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