Ammo9
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Post by Ammo9 on Aug 9, 2014 16:26:23 GMT 10
Many factors will effect priorities.
How large is this island? What is the soil/vegetation/terrain? What is the weather like? Is there a fresh water source?
In theory the process for setting up a permanent community is no different to going camping for a few days. Get there and pick a good spot. Set up your shelter. Secure water supply. Source food. From there you can set about the creature comforts.
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Post by pheniox17 on Aug 9, 2014 17:06:23 GMT 10
its a first steep templar st Francis island may be a high possibility (look in Google maps) no extremely visible water source or perfect map on it (yet  ) any topographic maps you stumble across let us know please water always high on the list, but the back up here is de sal (turning sea water to fresh water) abandoned/uninhabited islands are that for a reason  so some "perfect" locations won't satisfy a lot of security concerns (that is a place where we don't have to fight others to gain access) I also understand when we get to "plan z" we won't be in the best of shape.. from living on the run, to making the "impossible" trip to the location (if its too easy its too easy to have other "settlers") and the lack of mans "improvements" also means a lot of work weather, almost extreme (-1c to 40c reported since Jan) rain average unknown, soil quality, unknown, vegetation, looks random but green, terrain unknown (looks quite weathered) size 800 acres (needs verification) abundant seafood stocks tho, distance from mainland, decent (60km?? needs verification) but its part of a island chain... (that's all st Francis) its more a first steep, it won't accommodate all "1500" best case numbers (there maybe less, or maybe more) but more a bol for a start (once established, there is 2 islands in wa that can accommodate a expansion, but also makes having a navy very important in security and trade) the point is to have in the too hard basket (if too easy its a plan a for most, then the point of its lost)  |
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Post by Ammo9 on Aug 9, 2014 17:23:38 GMT 10
Getting 1500 people to RV at an island 60km off the least populated coast of the country is a hard ask. Without established infrastructure, supporting that many people arriving at once is impossible. De-sal works well, but isn't quick and requires you to bring your own materials to the island with you. For 1500 people that's a lot of plastic sheeting and tubing.
In terms of supporting that many people on a bare island, a key factor will be scavenging. You'll want teams of people to go back to the mainland and source building materials, scrap metal and all manner of other things that can be found in a collapsed civilization. Rowing 60km and back loaded with kit is going to suck, because if you're waiting a long time to head to this location then chances are you and everyone else is out of diesel.
I'm not trying to shut down the idea of a larger scale post-apoc rebuild community, but in terms of realistically supporting 1500 people, even factoring in security, it might be better to find a rural location somewhere which is easier to transit to and easier to source the required materials to build such a community
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Post by pheniox17 on Aug 9, 2014 19:58:01 GMT 10
let's flip the other side of the coin, with 1500 expected (we all bug out there now as a plan a instead of z) best case, in a apoc, it can take what?? 2-3 years before the most distant turns up?? throw it as a plan z, then what 5-10 years before the last forum member shows up?? also its dependant on a 100% survival rate no way that even a remote "rural" area can be easily defended by the first of us, a island network at least gives a minor buffer, then the sea, but any locations that tick your boxed for a rv would welcome the suggestions but trying to stay believable to the fantasy, as at this stage that's all it is, even best case, 1500 people turning up at the same time (unless all were local, and other factors) all their plans have failed, and forced to "activate" plan z at the same time, I have better chance of winning lotto  once it might make 100 people a navy may be established enough to open up other options... like a 2nd colony, then maybe a costal community in the main land, all options need to be explored... but the rv location I extremely doubt would be extremely over run in a short period of time, it a very hard thing to plan (that's why its floated the concept, if it was easy, then it would already be planned, with multiple options and be a plan a or b) |
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Post by R3dbeard on Aug 9, 2014 21:06:05 GMT 10
Here's the thing, IMO... It's difficult to, ahead of time, determine the best courses of action, best locations, the length of time, etc, for RV'ing. We do not know what the disaster could be. What I think is most important is to establish communication and start by creating a communication network between survivors.
There should be an agreed protocol for communication... How.. Frequency.. When.. And it MAY require some level of movement to regional/state/territory centres in order to do this. And this is ok. It is much more feasible for groups to congregate, to strengthen and grow in smaller communities first and then link up into larger communities at a later time.
There can also be an agreed to protocol, in advance, for these communities to begin communication amongst each other. This is important as it may be the case that some communities are far from secure and may warn others away.
My two cents (if it is even worth that...)
1. Basic country-wide registration of preppers via region (no specifics - just enough to know, for example.. There are 10 others in Adelaide)
1. Protocol for communication in regional centres/cities (when, where, how, etc) (First contact)
2. Protocol for communication between re-established communities (when, where, how, etc) (Second contact)
I think that this approach is important to maintain security at a personal and community level, and that on establishing communication it would be possible to proactively look at building a network of communities.
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Post by pheniox17 on Aug 12, 2014 16:15:59 GMT 10
that's the same issues as a RV even with com's you have range limits, possible damage to infrastructure that's built for the comms network (look up repeater stations) weather issues, and that's a good plan A (establish com's with others) but the concept of this is all has failed (plan z) and a large % think their plans are infailable where by the time they get to the z option they would rather be dead
To try and be crystal clear, if a shtf event happens, on a really bad scale, this plan has no bearings on your current plans, do everything you would normally do, but if all your plans are a fail, then without any other options this gives you one final goal, a final bol to aim for, if all goes well, there will be no one ever accessing the bol and if you (as any member here) ends up locally building a community, all discussed issues have been ironed out here, if your unlucky, and plan z is your last choice, then again you have the knowledge to make a start, my personal plans hopefully don't need a plan z but what if??
We are here to prepare for a large array of scenarios, from flood to a world ending event, why not prepare for the unlikely event we fail
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) any topographic maps you stumble across let us know please
so some "perfect" locations won't satisfy a lot of security concerns (that is a place where we don't have to fight others to gain access) 
