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Post by remnantprep on Nov 12, 2014 10:57:40 GMT 10
A series of Asteroids have destroyed the modern world, setting civilisation back at least a thousand years. What are the first 3 things you would personally do, in order to start rebuilding civilisation? Why?
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Post by Ammo9 on Nov 12, 2014 14:05:32 GMT 10
Wow, good question. Big question!
Okay, first off. Being set back around 1000 years, modern society is gone and technology and agriculture is plunged into a time where we no longer have the skill set to survive. I had a google search at the agriculture and technology of the 1000 AD, and also the societal structure and culture.
The culture is more what we're looking at I think. We will return to small community living. Without extended logistics chains and a heavily structured and multifaceted form of government in place, society will crumble and initially it will be every family for themselves. Then surviving friends or preppers may reach out to find each other and band together. I think these groups will then slowly attract more people and settle somewhere between 20-50 people.
I guess in a way I've just outlined three steps. 1. Survive and protect family. 2. Find friends and extended family and select a location to live together. 3. Attract supportive and useful people while defending and growing the capability of the group. Things are getting tribal...
Now that is really the three, very broad steps, for establishing a post-apoc community. But the question stipulates 'rebuilding civilisation'. Now we have to look at if there is a difference between a community and a civilisation. Honestly, I've got other things to do today so no more googling, just bulk text which we can argue and debate later this evening if anyone would like. But off the top of my head, I see the difference between a community and a civilisation as evolution. A community generally exists to preserve a way of life, a civilisation creates a way of life. Civilisations promote learning and wisdom, development of individual and group capability and in a more sentimental way, they have a sense of grandeur.
So I'll begin my three steps, from the point where a group of let's say 50 people have gathered and are currently beginning to try their hand at farming and raising animals, as their supplies begin to run low. They're surviving, and aren't worried about dying any time soon but there is no plan to improve their quality of life.
Step 1. Gather, organise and spread useful knowledge. Promote learning within everyone in the group and build up as many skill sets as possible. People with trades or useful skills take on an apprentice, people without skills and without someone to teach them gather books (and PDF documents preppers have printed off and stored in plastic waterproof tubs and stored in their garage) and create a library, then self-teach themselves skills which are lacking from those texts and through a trial and error process become proficient then take on their own apprentice.
Step 2. Have a government. This one is a bit tricky, because I struggle to think of an example of a 'good government'. However I hate to think where society would be without one. Sure, they're mostly incompetent and corrupt. But any group needs organisation, and for lack of a better word, any civilisation will need a government. I say 'have a government' instead of create one, because I feel in the organic growing process of the group I'm talking about, there will be a leader. One of the original family group probably, and a 'royal family' of sorts will be formed from the ashes of these asteroids. Now whether that leader forms a committee and governs as a dictatorship, a communist arrangement or some sort of democracy that's not really important. The important part is the ability to combine group efforts and distribute group resources.
Step 3. Grow. In smaller groups, everyone must focus on tasks which directly relate to the survival and safety of the group. The bigger the group grows and the more area it controls, the better the economies of scale and the less work will be required on a per-person basis just to make it through each day. 'Growing' includes increasing the size of the area controlled by the group, increasing the amount of people in the group and building trade relationships. Trading is an important part of growing, and through trade we can build economies of scale without having to assimilate everyone into the one 'team'... eg. If a neighbouring group has succeeding in large scale honey production and they're happy to trade but don't like that the group is led by a small unelected group then work out a trade arrangement that benefits both groups, and grow around them. Eventually they may wish to join but forcing them to is going to take time and resources better spent elsewhere, and create a conflict where none needed to exist.
This topic has really got my brain going, and unfortunately I have to leave the house now.. But I'm excited to read other people's thoughts on this question.
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Post by pheniox17 on Nov 12, 2014 19:50:29 GMT 10
3 first things to restore...
Running water, septic, and the third.... Communications
First 2 self explainatry, coms is more to link communities
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Post by Joey on Nov 12, 2014 20:07:57 GMT 10
For me,
1. Hot water, because cold showers should be a crime against humanity under the Geneva convention 2. Establish renewable food source, band together with a few other local survivors and start farming, or establishing a food bank if in built up areas 3. Send scouts out to find other survivors and make contact with other colonies of survivors
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Post by krull68 on Nov 13, 2014 10:27:35 GMT 10
1/ Shelter. Should take no longer than half a day to get basic shelter happening. 2/ Sustenance. Would be happening at the same time by other survivors, who says you have to have everyone doing the same thing at the same time. this would include water, food, waste management, etc. 3/ Communications. This can start once you have a basic set up going, including defence of location established.
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Post by Peter on Nov 13, 2014 11:07:54 GMT 10
I would start with the very basics - assuming that the S has thoroughly HTF, I would assume that we have no communications with anyone not in our immediate vicinity, so we would have no idea of who or what sees us as a potential food source.
1) Secure water source/s. Nothing else will be possible beyond a few days without it. 2) Secure shelter and a means of protecting it – this shelter must protect against weather (which may be significantly changed following asteroid damage) and provide security against displaced people and animals (both wild and escaped-domestic). A huge variable here is whether a suitable structure remains intact or whether something would need to be built from scratch. 3) Assemble and establish a community of survivors (including establishing codes of conduct/laws), preferably consisting of family and trusted friends. It will be impossible to go it alone.
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Post by Fractus on Nov 13, 2014 13:49:24 GMT 10
1 Organise armed scroungers to gather all the water, food, metal and valuable items surviving including tools knives ammo, nails paper pens corrugated iron livestock, 2 divid group into teams of skills ie builders metal workers medics, gardeners security and include crossover into more than one group 3 as a group decide the type of society you intend to become. Will you mimic the past and try to regain many of the skills and technologies or be a more thoughtful group that does not try to get back to the current western lifestyle.
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Post by Ammo9 on Nov 17, 2014 19:14:06 GMT 10
Technically this post is against the rules. But I wanted to bump the thread so people who missed it can contribute.
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Post by Frank on Nov 17, 2014 20:12:02 GMT 10
Good idea AT.
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Post by overlord on Nov 19, 2014 17:05:06 GMT 10
Okay, even if am not qualified:
First of all, we would be reduced to tribal groups and Hunter-Gatherers. This basically means we have to begin the formation of a core group who will organize the "tribe" and establish roles and responsibilities, rules/law, etc. As individuals, food, water, and shelter come in as second-nature. Remember, without Rules/Law, we are as good as individuals and not as a group.
Second, finalize food, water, and shelter for the tribe. Why is this second? because food, water, and shelter requirements for a "tribe" are different due to the specializations of each member of the tribe. Define arable land, water sources (maybe dig a channel to the tribe location), know hunting and fishing grounds which leads to the third activity: Defense and Communications
Without a tribe, a person performs multiple roles and shelter can be as simple as a hole in the side of a mountain, under a tree with a lean-to, etc.
Third, Defense and Communications:
Defense: - We have to protect what we established. - Sentries, weapons, etc. are to be established and created - This is very critical because not everyone will be as peaceful as we are. Always expect marauding parties, thieves, etc.
Communications can come in many forms: - Scouts to find others - Smoke signals to show others that there are other survivors (most would assume smoke has fire and fire means food is being cooked) - Tree markings and signs
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Post by overlord on Nov 20, 2014 12:59:11 GMT 10
Maybe put up a sign along the railroad tracks that says "This way to Terminus" hehehe...
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Post by Whisperer on Nov 25, 2014 15:36:29 GMT 10
To rebuild civilization is a big ask. And to what level? So i think that we should look at what our preps give us....... Additional time! If our world has been knocked back to the stone age by such a cataclysm them we have a little additional time due to our preps in order to size up the situation and the new surroundings and look at the best way to start.
Civilization means an advancing community. So the things we should look at bringing to a community are:
Skills base - We need to present ourselves as a useful member of society. Realistically we are too insular within the prepper community. We have spent considerable time and funds on ensuring that we have supplies and equipment for immediate short to possibly mid term survival. However we have to look past this and at joining a community of survivors at some stage. As a race we need social interaction and more so do those of us with children as they need the interaction of other children to mature. So we need to develop skills that are useful to ourselves and others. We need to broaden our personal set of skills to have something to offer because after our preps decline we need to offer something to a community. I am aware several of our members are stocking up on precious metals but it may be a while before regular trade occurs with any one and you may get more for a useful pot than a metal bar.
Knowledge base - I am aware the current thinking is to have all of your written material stored digitally. This is in my opinion a major flaw. Batteries die and screens crack and components fail but a book if stored with a little care can last for years. We should look at having information on all aspects of our survival - spinning and weaving may be highly important after you have worn through your clothes, herbal remedies, maths and engineering. I know this is a different view but once again it is not just our survival but a rebuilding of society so we must consider education for our children and others.(How many of us have stockpiles of paper and pens?) The growth of community is not just population driven but the expansion of the minds in the community.
Lore base - Yes LORE not LAW but they can blur between the lines. A civilization needs a set of values and rules to live by. All communities have similar rules. Don't flog your mates gear. Don't flog your mates wife. Don't kill your mate. etc. Basic tenements to a society. However these can be dressed in may ways and forms, be they religious or autocratic these are the same. A community must be created with these but also an identity a background and a direction. This may come from how the community was formed and by whom to the over coming of a common adversity or adversary. This is recorded along with decisions of the leaders of the community to provide a history for it's people. This may sound a little far fetched but remember that this is the ways communities operated until very recently.
If one thing i want you to consider is that we should start considering looking past the initial SHTF scenario and look at long term survival and consider what else we should be stockpiling.
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