Morgo
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Post by Morgo on Jan 29, 2015 15:33:16 GMT 10
Mr Pete, what brand/type of calcium hypochlorite are you using?
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Post by Peter on Jan 29, 2015 15:40:41 GMT 10
I use Aqua Health Super 700 (pool chlorine). Any 65% or 70% pool chlorine should do the trick, as long as it isn't stabilised.
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Post by myrrph on Jan 29, 2015 16:28:10 GMT 10
i'm looking to buy at least 2 emergency bobs, since the missus doesn't let me store water. SHTF, I'm gonna leech all the water from the rooftop water tanks in my apartment
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Post by Morgo on Jan 29, 2015 17:17:18 GMT 10
I use Aqua Health Super 700 (pool chlorine). Any 65% or 70% pool chlorine should do the trick, as long as it isn't stabilised. Thanks mate. I'm going to do some more research on it, how much to use to treat the water mainly & the process, then I'll probably switch over from bleach.
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Post by Peter on Jan 29, 2015 17:23:33 GMT 10
Absolutely. The liquid bleach (ie sodium hypochlorite) deteriorates rapidly, so it's almost useless after 2 or 3 months. The granular stuff will last years. I did a thread on pool chemicals which may be somehow relevant - ausprep.com/thread/1913/pool-water-post-crunch-scenario
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Post by Fractus on Jan 29, 2015 17:37:46 GMT 10
I have it as a bleach substitute (it has a much longer shelf life than liquid bleach) and for nuking bugs in water. One of my main concerns about a grid down scenario is loss of sanitation systems, as I live in suburbia atm. This stuff should be a great help plus it should have barter value (although a decent sales pitch may be necessary). Mr pete, a while ago you mentioned chemicals in pools. We use the pool tablets that are 5 tablets to kg. are these realy giant water purification tablets like for a plastic tank with yuk water?
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Post by Peter on Jan 29, 2015 17:52:15 GMT 10
The packaging should state an "active consistuent". Tell me what that is and I'll let you know if they're suitable for treating drinking water.
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Post by Peter on Jan 29, 2015 17:52:57 GMT 10
Actually, tell me the make & model and I'll look up the MSDS. Tablets sometimes have binding agents that may be nasty.
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Post by Fractus on Feb 4, 2015 18:28:33 GMT 10
Actually, tell me the make & model and I'll look up the MSDS. Tablets sometimes have binding agents that may be nasty. Thanks that would be great if you could find out as they would be convenient for storing.
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Post by Peter on Feb 4, 2015 20:03:31 GMT 10
Do not ever use these for drinking water. The giveaway is the Trichloroisocyanuric acid. That's a UV inhibitor which is very toxic - it's similar to cyanide, or so I'm told by one of WA's leading experts in pool chemistry.
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Post by MOA5 on Feb 5, 2015 9:05:15 GMT 10
Mobile stuff-Life straw for each of us, A few hundred water tabs A billy A Bandana Iodine
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Post by sammo909 on Feb 8, 2015 17:59:30 GMT 10
If I'm out camping I've got a charcoal filter water bottle, billy, and a spare shirt. In the car there's plastic bags and bottles and a set of clothes/rags. At home the only thing left to say is bleach.
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Post by blueshoes on Jan 17, 2022 12:36:39 GMT 10
hey everyone... (sorry for the thread necromancy but it's got really good stuff in it so it surely can't hurt adding a related question)
Our tap water smells like pool water thanks to our local water authority's overly enthusiastic water treatment plan ("chlorinate!"). Therefore, we use one of those ~1.2L maxtra filter jugs, alll... the ... time ... for everything.
Because we use it so much, the filter jug must get refilled ten times a day at least.
I'm not overly keen on getting one of those plastic in-line water filters installed - partly because i'm hoping we can relocate soon, but also because i'm not sure how maintainable they are. They seem to rely on being able to source a specific cartridge from the manufacturer every so often, or need to be serviced by the selling company?
It seems like it's worth figuring out a way to filter 10-20L of water a day for our normal usage without too much extra energy required.
People who don't just drink town water/ who filter their water day to day, what do you use?
Are the 8L/16L etc Ceramic benchtop water filters good? Do the filter candles last very long? Are the taps really small or are they big enough to fill a pot from?
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Post by malewithatail on Jan 17, 2022 15:51:13 GMT 10
Our water for household use comes from the roof, into a 45kl settling tank, then is pumped using excess solar when the batterys are full to another 45 kl tank on the top end of the property. This then gravity feeds back to the house, no filters nothing, just pure water. The tanks are sealed so no mosquitoes or other nasties, and the tanks settle out the water anyway of there is dust on the roof after no rain for a period of time. I drink the water straight as is, but the troops put it through a big berky (2 actually), and use that for drinking. The garden water works much the same, pumped from the dam to another 45kl tank adjacent to the drinking water, and gravity to the gardens. There are cross connect valves for emergency use in say a bush-fire and the toilet has 2 water feeds, one is from the dam gravity tank, the other is from the drinking water gravity tank. The setup gives 24/7 water with pumps only running when there is excess power, saving battery wear and giving backup water for several weeks in case something goes wrong.
Gravity is a myth, the Earth sucks.
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Post by peter1942 on Jan 17, 2022 16:58:51 GMT 10
For about 200 years people in Australia have consumed water captured in many ways and I doubt whether you could find many records of them suffering from ingesting that water.
We collect all of our water for use in the house from our house and two sheds into plastic tanks that hold 32,700 litres each from where it is pumped into an overhead plastic tank to gravity feed into the house. The only water that goes through the filter jug with a ceramic filter is what we drink straight or with our fruit juices.
After many years of living like we do we have gotten rid of all our metal tanks and pipes and the water in the house is a lot cleaner, no rust or discolouration caused by the rust.
I have seen steel tank outlets virtually rusted closed because of the breaking down of the steel tanks and in our cases our plastic tanks are now older than the steel tanks we had troubles with and are still in very good condition.
We have never felt the need to put any chemicals into our water supplies as we believe it is totally unwarranted and is another chemical your body can do without.
A note for the drinkers of water in plastic bottles, drink half the water and put the other half on the dashboard in the sun and then drink it an hour later. It will be putrid with the plastics that have leeched into the water by the heat. When going out we take our water from home in stainless steel bottles and although the water may get warm it is still eminently potable.
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Post by Morgo on Jan 18, 2022 15:48:24 GMT 10
For about 200 years people in Australia have consumed water captured in many ways and I doubt whether you could find many records of them suffering from ingesting that water. 200 years ago the water in Australia was much cleaner though. Nowadays its not the viruses in the water you need to worry about, that is easily fixed by boiling the water like people have done for a long time but rather its the pesticides, heavy metals and other toxic human made contaminants that get into the water you need to worry about.
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Post by Beno on Jan 19, 2022 11:32:41 GMT 10
All my water is treated multiple times. First it is evaporated, condensed, solarised by the sun then aerated as it is being dropped onto my roof then aerated again flowinginto a tank. The frogs and bird crap are just flavourings.
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Post by peter1942 on Jan 19, 2022 13:33:46 GMT 10
Morgo, you are quite right about the contaminants particularly around the agricultural areas.
We are very lucky where we live as there is no agricultural land on the upside of us and all of the water that gets into our dams comes through forested areas.
Beno, when you get a dead possum shedding its fur inside your tank that is when the real flavouring starts and thats when you make sure no animals or insects can get into your tanks and that is also when you upgrade the filters on the outlets to the house.
The other point about bottled water I meant to make is that it is dearer than petrol to purchase, people complain about the price of fuel but turn a blind eye to the price of water in a plastic bottles. Having our own stainless steel bottles and taking our water with us when we go out just comes as second nature.
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Post by Tri-Polar on Jan 19, 2022 19:18:35 GMT 10
Bags/camping gear: Life straw gox2, saywer minix2 and a bunch of purification tablets. Home, well its part of the above but the tank water goes through a 3 filter set up.
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Post by Joey on Jan 19, 2022 20:47:01 GMT 10
Having a decent efficient saltwater purifier that isn't too bulky or cost your firstborn to buy would be good if you live near the ocean. A couple of years ago, 2 mates and I lived on the beach off Weipa for a few weeks, but we still had to make the trip back into town to fill our water jugs up of drinkable water about every 3 days or so. If we had a decent way to turn the saltwater into clean water would of being cool. The old steaming condensation method of processing the water just wouldn't have yielded enough water out the other end for the amount of wood we would have had to burn to keep the fire going.
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