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Post by thereth on Feb 10, 2015 20:30:27 GMT 10
OK, so I have been roughly looking for a little while at different properties in the area, nothing really caught my eye that was affordable.
Until now....
4x3 house
300ish acres 25 acres of both sandelwood and Oil Mallee various sheds, carports and general infrastructure established orchard esatablished veggie garden Large chook run a ton of horse related infrastrcture, pens, feed sheds etc.
Oh and for the kicker is the people crop-lease the remainder out to local farmers for a tidy sum and are happy to introduce and pass on these contacts.
all for $490k and is within 20 minutes of the town I have based myself out of. Granted it is a bit pricier than i wanted to go but it is very very nice from the pictures and the drive by I did
Going to have a look on Saturday, but may chuck up some realestate.com.au photos soon to get everyones opinions, I am a little concerned I am looking at this through rose coloured glasses so having you guys beat me back to reality if required would be good :-)
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Post by peter1942 on Feb 10, 2015 20:48:18 GMT 10
When you first look at the property do it by yourself, stand back and see if you can see the potential. Make a five year plan in your head even though it will be impossible to stick to it as there will be items added or deleted on a regular basis.
After you have looked at the property by yourself get your wife or friend to look at it with you and get their opinion before you give them yours, this way they will give you a different perspective and maybe new and better ideas.
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Post by Frank on Feb 10, 2015 22:14:58 GMT 10
Great stuff thereth, sounds like a good spot
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Post by thereth on Feb 10, 2015 23:08:44 GMT 10
Bloody good idea Peter. I may have to do that. Thank you
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Post by Peter on Feb 11, 2015 0:21:58 GMT 10
If it's in the area I'm thinking is most likely, how's the rainwater storage?
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Post by Matilda on Feb 11, 2015 6:40:53 GMT 10
Fences. Check your fences.
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Post by wellrounded on Feb 11, 2015 6:46:15 GMT 10
I agree with frostbite, the three most important things to have are water, water and water. If there's established gardens etc there must be some good water Almost everything else can be improved or changed but water soon becomes the limiting factor.
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Post by peter1942 on Feb 11, 2015 12:33:48 GMT 10
I must confer with all those who say that water is probably the most important asset that any property owner can have.
2014 saw our average rainfall drop from a 100 year average of about 506 millimetres to 306 millimetres. A drop of 200 millimetres would not have been as bad as it sounds if it had fallen in rain events of more than 20 millimetres at a time instead of the small amounts we received that virtually disappeared as soon as they hit the dust.
The great thing about the metric system is that for every square metre of catchment area every millimetre of rain that falls equals a litre. 100 square metres of roof area equals 100 litres of potential water savings. Find out the long term average rainfall in your area, multiply that by the roof areas that are connected or will be to your tanks and it will give you an idea of your rainfall water saving potential. Dams for groundwater runoff are the cheapest storage you can have per litre stored but evaporation and seepage will be an issue but they do come in handy especially if you have a good catchment area.
We have a neighbour who had a bore put in so that he could have a more reliable water supply. Over $10,000 later he has water, and plenty of it, but it is unusable because of the high levels of salts and he cannot put in a desalinisation plant because there are laws as what you have to do to get rid of the salts. Also the cost of the additional plant would make it uneconomical.
From a preppers point of view I believe we have to learn to live with years of diminished rainfall by growing more than we need in the better years and storing as much as we can. We preserve fruit, jams and juices by bottling in the years we have extra the produce and we also freeze fruit and vegetables.
In a true after the lights out scenario what would concern me is maintaining our solar power system to a level that would enable us to run the freezer so in the future and preserving would all need to be done by bottling.
We cannot grow sugar here in Victoria so we are looking at, when we get another good year, juicing grapes and rendering the juice down and using that as a sugar substitute to enable us to continue to make jam. Sugar is not required to preserve fruit but some varieties need a sweetener before they are consumed, rhubarb is one, and I am looking at some of the herbs that are capable of being used as sweeteners.
Water usage is something that in good years when we have plenty of it is not the priority that it should be. In years like 2014 we revisit any improvements we can make to our storage capacity and the ways we can minimise its use i.e. wicking beds and hydroponics.
I would say that for most of us when we first look at a property rainfall is not the primary concern, getting hold of the land super cedes all other emotions. Once the property is ours then it is time to make all the other decisions that will make, or break, the lifestyle we would like to lead.
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Post by Fractus on Feb 11, 2015 13:06:44 GMT 10
I must confer with all those who say that water is probably the most important asset that any property owner can have. 2014 saw our average rainfall drop from a 100 year average of about 506 millimetres to 306 millimetres. A drop of 200 millimetres would not have been as bad as it sounds if it had fallen in rain events of more than 20 millimetres at a time instead of the small amounts we received that virtually disappeared as soon as they hit the dust. The great thing about the metric system is that for every square metre of catchment area every millimetre of rain that falls equals a litre. 100 square metres of roof area equals 100 litres of potential water savings. Find out the long term average rainfall in your area, multiply that by the roof areas that are connected or will be to your tanks and it will give you an idea of your rainfall water saving potential. Dams for groundwater runoff are the cheapest storage you can have per litre stored but evaporation and seepage will be an issue but they do come in handy especially if you have a good catchment area. We have a neighbour who had a bore put in so that he could have a more reliable water supply. Over $10,000 later he has water, and plenty of it, but it is unusable because of the high levels of salts and he cannot put in a desalinisation plant because there are laws as what you have to do to get rid of the salts. Also the cost of the additional plant would make it uneconomical. From a preppers point of view I believe we have to learn to live with years of diminished rainfall by growing more than we need in the better years and storing as much as we can. We preserve fruit, jams and juices by bottling in the years we have extra the produce and we also freeze fruit and vegetables. In a true after the lights out scenario what would concern me is maintaining our solar power system to a level that would enable us to run the freezer so in the future and preserving would all need to be done by bottling. We cannot grow sugar here in Victoria so we are looking at, when we get another good year, juicing grapes and rendering the juice down and using that as a sugar substitute to enable us to continue to make jam. Sugar is not required to preserve fruit but some varieties need a sweetener before they are consumed, rhubarb is one, and I am looking at some of the herbs that are capable of being used as sweeteners. Water usage is something that in good years when we have plenty of it is not the priority that it should be. In years like 2014 we revisit any improvements we can make to our storage capacity and the ways we can minimise its use i.e. wicking beds and hydroponics. I would say that for most of us when we first look at a property rainfall is not the primary concern, getting hold of the land super cedes all other emotions. Once the property is ours then it is time to make all the other decisions that will make, or break, the lifestyle we would like to lead. Peter the easiest sweetener is honey. Well not so easy but quite do able. And not super expensive to set up. Plus as well as jam you have mead and a bacterial barrier if required. Sad about the drop in rainfall. We have rellys in manangatang area and they are into wheat. Can be very hard and heartbreaking to watch you work wilt and wither.
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Post by thereth on Feb 11, 2015 14:16:44 GMT 10
Rainfall is abysmal out here, and yes Pete, it probably is out in the area you think it is. However I have been speaking to the owner and apparently she has drilling reports that indicate a rather large, very clean aquafier(sp) as well as council approval for a bore. On top of that, there will be 2x 50KL water tanks attached to the house before settlement so I think water will be ok.
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Post by thereth on Feb 11, 2015 14:18:02 GMT 10
you know what, bugger it, this is the property www.realestate.com.au/property-other-wa-doodlakine-7485303I know it isnt good for OPSEC but doing a key word search based on my description and general location found the place in under 10 minutes anyway so if someone really wanted to find it they could.
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Post by Peter on Feb 11, 2015 14:50:46 GMT 10
It certainly looks to have good potential. If that aquifer is accessible and the water is good, that will give you a massive advantage.
Will it be possible to access the aquifer with non-electric pumps (windmills, hand pumps, etc)?
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Post by thereth on Feb 11, 2015 14:52:15 GMT 10
unsure, will have to look at the documents this weekend to see how deep it is. I would be looking at a solar pump as the main pump anyway as they are very cheap nowadays and well worth it IMHO
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Post by peter1942 on Feb 11, 2015 20:19:42 GMT 10
fractus we hear what you say about honey and would like to use more of it and if I had more time I would see about putting a couple of hives in.
You have to be very careful about some of the no brand honey on the market as much of it has never been near a bee as it is made from a concoction of corn syrup and other items and much of it is imported from China.
frostbite if you could let me know where your water supply is I will hook it up to the ute and bring it to our place.
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Post by Fractus on Feb 11, 2015 20:58:42 GMT 10
fractus we hear what you say about honey and would like to use more of it and if I had more time I would see about putting a couple of hives in. You have to be very careful about some of the no brand honey on the market as much of it has never been near a bee as it is made from a concoction of corn syrup and other items and much of it is imported from China. frostbite if you could let me know where your water supply is I will hook it up to the ute and bring it to our place. Yeah bees are a commitment equal to any livestock. I still have my gear plus previous experience and could catch a feral hive if required but to many other projects and skill development are on the go. My biggest harvest was 90 kg in one weekend. We worked like heck all weekend for it. It was great to see all of it on the kitchen table. If you have plenty of nectar trees you could contact a local bee keeping club and offer to let them on you land for a small harvest fee. Plus you could watch and learn from them. Beekeepers love nothing more than talking about their bees.
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Post by Frank on Feb 11, 2015 23:18:38 GMT 10
Property looks good in the photos reth, good luck with it all
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Post by Peter on Feb 11, 2015 23:21:01 GMT 10
I saw a (tumblr?) feed earlier today relating to making sugar from beets... I'll see if I can find it and share in a new post, as this could potentially be valuable.
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Post by Peter on Feb 11, 2015 23:24:08 GMT 10
As for the property, I'm inspired. Make sure they leave the palm tree next to the crapper. For. The. Win.
And that, my friends, is the result of one Jager & Cola too many...
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Post by Matilda on Feb 12, 2015 3:36:31 GMT 10
Regarding bees, I was told the other day by our nurseryman that there are zero bees in northern Sydney.! Why? How? We have adopted 30 blue wasps over summer. After I did some research they very rarely sting unless, like a bee they are picked up etc. And they spread the nectar just like bees. They actually kill the scarab beetle which will kill your plants anyway. They are beautiful to watch and their irredescent wings are beautiful in the light. They are an Australian native.
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Post by thereth on Feb 16, 2015 4:16:58 GMT 10
had a look on the weekend, it is bloody amazing. We have put in our offer and should hear back this week.... fingers, toes and everything else is crossed!
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