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Post by SA Hunter on Apr 6, 2015 22:48:53 GMT 10
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Post by newcastleprepper on Apr 9, 2015 19:39:04 GMT 10
That looks good for a novice like me:)
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Post by token on Oct 22, 2016 17:21:42 GMT 10
I know this is an old thread but imo its an important one. A good knife is like a good friend. Its something you can pass on to your children also, and it will have a history and special place due to such for them.
I am only going to throw in my own opinion, but one based on carrying a knife with me almost every day. Having a knife with me in tonnes of places from the car, my jacket and more.
I use them a lot on the farm, and i have slaughtered a lot of animals. My family lives off the meat which i either hunt, grow myself or find a farmer, pay and harvest.
On the subject of knives i have learnt a tad.
Firstly, this is one of the most frustrating aspects of harvesting an animal if you dont get it right. I would literally quit if i have to work with a blunt knife. The effort needed to successfully and in a timely manner clean up and animal is imperative to continue in the trade. It all starts with a sharp knife, that you can keep a good edge on throughout the harvesting process.
Inside of the coat of many animals is fine grit which will blunt your knife from the get go. Then, connecting with bone will also do the same. So i carry a steel with me when i go hunting a field. I also spend a tonne of time steeling my blade regularly throughout the harvesting process.
Yes, you can pay a lot for knives and get quality, but imo you can also buy cheap and get the same, as this can ride on your experience of blade degree, edge shaping, tools at hand to take the human error of blade degree out of it, and of course the finer point of pushing the finest edge up with the right steel.
I have had great success for many years with Gerber blades. And yes, even Bear Grills Gerber blades. My most successful knife in that range was the Gerber Myth. A small light weight knife that looks no more intimidating than a small screwdriver, but it suited me, and the 'suiting' is also another major aspect of animal processing. I cant tell you what will suit you, as your hand might be smaller or larger, your circumstances might also be different, your grip might be different and so on and on.
For me, i can clean up most animals into quarters either hanging in a tree or on the ground with a small knife. I can remove the head, hocks, tail, ribs and so on, with just a small knife, its knowing where to cut and getting your hands on the animals enough to never forget it.
I like the smaller knife for when i am field dressing (gutting) the animal firstly. Those sinews of flesh which hold things in place that need cutting. When im up to my elbows in separating guts, lungs and heart from internal cavity and or esophagus, lower colon etc, i find the myth great for not cutting my fingers off in the process, but thats just me, not you, so my advice cannot and will never be on this subject a one stop shop for all, just some food for thought. I can bone out pretty much anything with the Myth as well as the blade flexes well also.
I have also purchased very cheap ($8-$40) folding knifes from ebay and have had no issues and served me as a best friend like the Gerber range as well.
Many folk think that you need a big knife, or a fixed blade like the Myth, but such is not true as well. I once timed myself in a race on a big goat to see how quick i could take it from just killed to skinned and quartered. I was moving, and with a small sharp knife, and it took me 15minutes. These days, i hang around for a chat with folk whilst we enjoy the process and take some time, but in a out there hunting situation, with the sun coming down and 20kms to the car and a big animal on the deck, you need to know how to move quickly so you can get home safely. This imo, begins with your personal, well suited and faithful friend, the knife and its ability to hold an edge well.
I would say, dont write off cheaper and smaller knives, rather, study and practice on how to cut an edge and keep it sharp first.
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Post by VegHead on Oct 22, 2016 19:05:08 GMT 10
I use $30 F. Dick knives, and they serve me well although their steel grade has become poor recently.
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Post by Peter on Oct 22, 2016 22:36:13 GMT 10
For cooking I've always sworn by Global knives. But cooking is very different to butchering.
Today at the SHOT expo I bought an EKA knife, made in Sweden. I bought a butcher's knife ($65), but they have quite an extensive range. The knife I bought was very light, extremely sharp, and most comfortable in the hand (which I consider the most important factor).
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Post by PlanZ on Oct 23, 2016 0:55:47 GMT 10
Got to say I know nothing about butchering but I love my classic Buck hunting knife model 119: www.survivalsuppliesaustralia.com.au/products/buck-119-special.phpI test the law everyday by carrying this with me in my car at all times. Not as a weapon but as a tool that I seem to find useful often enough. I've even worn it on my belt in public a few times when I'm feeling extra anarchic! Also love my old Gerber multi (when the quality was better) and my Leatherman Skeletool - that one goes in my pocket at all times and it's best feature is it's blade. It has few functions compared to other multi tools but a great knife, great pliers, lightweight in your pocket and real comfortable to hold. And it has a very accessible beer opener too! There's also some nice single hand opening folder knives available in Australia now that the import laws have relaxed.
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Post by feralemma on Dec 13, 2016 0:32:48 GMT 10
I've never owned a Muela, so can't really comment, other than to say I haven't come across anyone on any knife forum who uses them for hunting. As to the Winchester, there's a saying that goes, "Never use a knife made by a gun manufacturer'. Personally I wouldn't carry either of them any further than I could throw them. I've been using my Buck Vanguard since I first got my firearms licence about four years ago and it's never missed a beat. The Becker won't let me down anytime soon either. Did five goats in a row with it one time. Either of those and a decent basic sharpening stone (I carry the Fallkniven DC4) will give you years of outstanding service. 1 of the knives I use for dressing game is a Muela! Not sure what model it is but it's been a decent little knife that holds an edge so they are worth a look.
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Post by peter1942 on Dec 16, 2016 14:33:52 GMT 10
Dexter Russell are the knives used by professional meat workers in abattoirs and other meat processing plants and I have used these in a professional capacity and for home meat processing for many years.
I believe that they are available from agricultural suppliers as well as other outlets.
You will need a skinning knife and a boning knife and over the years I have also found that the plastic pouch that attaches to your belt is well worth having.
These knives are designed for the task and are reasonably priced unlike many other knives that some people have that are more value for their looks and not practicality.
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Post by thereth on Dec 17, 2016 13:49:13 GMT 10
I've never owned a Muela, so can't really comment, other than to say I haven't come across anyone on any knife forum who uses them for hunting. As to the Winchester, there's a saying that goes, "Never use a knife made by a gun manufacturer'. Personally I wouldn't carry either of them any further than I could throw them. I've been using my Buck Vanguard since I first got my firearms licence about four years ago and it's never missed a beat. The Becker won't let me down anytime soon either. Did five goats in a row with it one time. Either of those and a decent basic sharpening stone (I carry the Fallkniven DC4) will give you years of outstanding service. 1 of the knives I use for dressing game is a Muela! Not sure what model it is but it's been a decent little knife that holds an edge so they are worth a look. I am a huge fan of Muela knives and have quite a few, however i only buy the ones with the synthetic handles as i find the wooden ones do not fit my hand well.
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Post by feralemma on Dec 17, 2016 18:16:00 GMT 10
My personal favourite right now are my Moroka30 packhunter and skinning knives.
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Post by peter1942 on Dec 17, 2016 21:11:44 GMT 10
An update on my previous post about knives.
While in town this morning I visited the local farm supply shop and had a look at the knives they have in stock. The brand they have is 'Victory' and they are made in New Zealand.
The skinning knife is $36.30 and the boning knife is $27.80.
I had a good look at the knives and if ever I had to replace any of my Dexter Russell knives that I have now had for in excess of 17 years and longer I would go for the Victory knives as I believe that the quality is there and the pricing would be competitive.
At $145.54 I would not even contemplate a Moroka30 Riley Skinning Knife as it is not the best of design for skinning a beast and as I said in my previous post the professionals use what they do because they are designed for the task. I notice that on their web site they do not have a boning knife listed.
Just a point on sharpening knives. I have for many years used a carborundum stone and in that time I have been amazed at the people who use oil or liquid soap on their stones while they sharpen their knives. Kerosene is what should be used as it keeps the stone clean whereas the oil fills in the pores and it takes longer to get an edge.
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Post by feralemma on Dec 17, 2016 22:05:13 GMT 10
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Post by feralemma on Dec 17, 2016 22:05:59 GMT 10
Lol fail on the quote 😂
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Post by feralemma on Dec 17, 2016 22:10:32 GMT 10
I should have clarified I use the gp hunter from moroka30 as a skinner 😉 $55 on sale and small enough to be easy to handle. I personally don't like gut hook knives as I can gut cleanly without them. I mostly break down kills in the field so don't carry a knife to do every different specific job.
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Post by Peter on Dec 17, 2016 23:52:11 GMT 10
Just a point on sharpening knives. I have for many years used a carborundum stone and in that time I have been amazed at the people who use oil or liquid soap on their stones while they sharpen their knives. Kerosene is what should be used as it keeps the stone clean whereas the oil fills in the pores and it takes longer to get an edge. Thanks for that info - I'll be sure to experiment with kero. I've never heard of using kero on a whetstone before.
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