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Post by SA Hunter on Sept 14, 2015 1:44:14 GMT 10
Olive Oil, Vegetable Oil, Canola Oil, etc, etc, etc.
How much is enough, what keeps best???
How much would you need for, say, 12 months??
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Post by wellrounded on Sept 14, 2015 7:11:43 GMT 10
We use olive oil and coconut oil rather than a vegetable/canola oil. I use sunflower oil as well for things like mayo and to made spreadable butter for winter as I find olive oil has too strong a flavour for these. Butter and animal fats are what we use most though, farm produced and long shelf/freezer life. One of the gadgets I'd love for my kitchen would be a small oil press, we only need a few litres of room temp. liquid oils a year. Olive oil I keep 8 - 12 l on hand, coconut a few litres but will be buying larger buckets this year if the budget stretches. I should point out that most of my olive and coconut is used to make soap, I love bastile soap . I also store a little sesame oil as I use a bit in the kitchen and ricebran oil for soap making.
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Post by Nighthawk on Sept 14, 2015 7:56:56 GMT 10
We cook with either rice bran oil (has a really high smoke point) or coconut oil. The 3L bottles of rice bran oil have been half price at Coles a couple of times recently so I have three of those on hand. I need to stock up on coconut oil though. The bottles of rice bran oil I have show a use by date of Jan 2017.
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Post by Peter on Sept 14, 2015 8:01:03 GMT 10
Cooking oils can be kept for a very long time (ie years, I've heard) if stored in the freezer. They are best used at room temperature, so let them warm up before use
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2015 14:49:50 GMT 10
Oils ain't Oils...Sol...LOL Remember that we need to find alternatives to fridges and freezers when prepping and storing preps. Think "No Power" yes even if you have a gen-set or Solar...Don't rely on these with preps... Coconut oil will last the longest according to recent studies. Opened, it will last 6 months in the pantry, 8 months in the fridge, and 1 year in the freezer. ( Source: Virginia Cooperative Extension “Food Storage Guidelines for Consumers”) Coconut oil: Refined coconut oil will last about 18 months without turning rancid. Purified, unrefined coconut oil will last indefinitely.Apr 10, 2012 Most other oils have around 6-12 life! Here is a good article on FATS, also I did a piece on fats and there benefits to your health in Medical! www.weedemandreap.com/top-reasons-eating-lard/The Yanks talk about Lard or pig fat, but fats from sheep and beef are just as good! I rendered down 40kg of beef fat and canned the Lard/Tallow, it should last 3-5 years. And makes the best chips you ever tasted!!!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2015 17:48:28 GMT 10
I buy the 3 litre tins of Monini Extra Virgin Olive Oil from coles when they are on special, usually they are about $19 - $22 a tin from memory, but when they are on special they can be as low as $11. So far ive got 12 litres and rotating the supply as needed, but i always buy them when on special to stock up and save money. I couldnt tell you how much you need, but over the past 12 months i have only used about 12 litres and that is sharing with 3 others. Extra Virgin Olive oil is not the best to cook chips with, but is great with just bout everything else. Edit to add, we cook with oil sparingly, mainly only when cooking meats.
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Post by shinester on Sept 15, 2015 9:01:15 GMT 10
I keep 2 x 4L cold pressed olive oils, one being used and one full and we use that for our normal cooking. I also have about 4kg of ghee which is reported [no science to it unfortunately] to last quite a long time unopened. Fats/oils are my trickiest prep, particularly because they're an essential part of our diet and I've yet to find a good solution. I did get a hand vacuum pump for mason jars which I'm hoping will extend the life of oils by reducing the oxygen content and therefore oxidation [going rancid]
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Post by scoutmum on Sept 19, 2015 15:00:34 GMT 10
This might sound silly... But how do I tell if the oils have gone rancid? Smell? Colour?
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Post by peter1942 on Sept 19, 2015 15:53:14 GMT 10
If you are serious about wanting a supply of oil grow some olive trees and get yourself a press.
We have a small area of land set aside for about ten olive trees and are in the process of sorting out which is/are the best varieties to grow.
If you look on the net you can find a variety of suitable manually operated presses for extracting the oil.
Scoutmum, trust me, if your oils are off you will know.
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Post by Ammo9 on Sept 19, 2015 16:13:10 GMT 10
Currently we've got a few of those large tins of olive oil, we really don't use very much.
Second the question about telling if they've gone rancid and also second planning to have your own plants to grow then press your own
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Post by shinester on Sept 20, 2015 6:35:45 GMT 10
Oil is starting to go rancid [oxidize] when it's first made. Of course we can't smell it at first, as there's hardly any in it. As more oxygen binds with it, it gets worse and a little more smell comes to it. When you heat or expose oils to sunlight it speeds up the oxidization rate. Rancid oil tastes bad, fairly simply mostly due to the build up of peroxides in it and it will smell a little bit like hydrogen peroxide consequently. Rancid oil won't harm you in the short term, though with the increased free radicals you might put yourself at higher risk of disease later on. For a prepper, what that means if you need the energy to keep you alive and survive, hold your nose and eat lots of green leafy veggies as you can to try to counteract what you did in the emergency www.australianolives.com.au/assets/files/pdfs/Media/Health%20Effects%20of%20Rancid%20Oils.pdf
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Post by scoutmum on Sept 20, 2015 10:58:27 GMT 10
Oil is starting to go rancid [oxidize] when it's first made. Of course we can't smell it at first, as there's hardly any in it. As more oxygen binds with it, it gets worse and a little more smell comes to it. When you heat or expose oils to sunlight it speeds up the oxidization rate. Rancid oil tastes bad, fairly simply mostly due to the build up of peroxides in it and it will smell a little bit like hydrogen peroxide consequently. Rancid oil won't harm you in the short term, though with the increased free radicals you might put yourself at higher risk of disease later on. For a prepper, what that means if you need the energy to keep you alive and survive, hold your nose and eat lots of green leafy veggies as you can to try to counteract what you did in the emergency Thanks, @shinester! That answered my next question as well.
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Post by shinester on Sept 20, 2015 12:47:22 GMT 10
Peter1942, would you mind sharing your experience with growing olives [and pressing], I've done a bit of initial research into what that entails and whilst I don't have a permanent place for them yet, I'm thinking about potting them and growing some up to be close to fruiting age when I do get that prepper place/homestead that is planned for. Looks like it's possible in my climate [they're growing in the street in parts of melbourne!]
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Post by VegHead on Sept 21, 2015 8:10:25 GMT 10
Olives love our climate Shinester, so you'll have no worries growing them where you are.
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Post by shinester on Sept 21, 2015 18:08:33 GMT 10
Yeah, I've since seen videos of guys ripping off olives [and badly pressing them] from olive trees planted all around Northcote. I guess the question I have [and I can ask a nursery person really] is how long before they fruit as I had always thought that they took quite a while to establish. Wondering if I ought to get them now in tubs or when I move to the homestead in a few years.
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Post by VegHead on Sept 21, 2015 18:21:17 GMT 10
Shinester they take five years until they start fruiting if that helps??
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Post by peter1942 on Sept 21, 2015 20:39:17 GMT 10
There is quite a lot of information on the net with regards to varieties, the area they will grow and what they are best suited for.
It looks, at the moment the three varieties we will be interested in will be Frantoio (Paragon), Correggiola and Nevadillo Blanco as from what I have researched they are good varieties for oil.
To throw a spanner in the works Picual and Arbequine are evidently good Spanish varieties that are soon to be released here.
I have worked for a commercial olive grower and helped with the harvest and was surprised at just how much oil is extracted from a given quantity of olives but that was using a commercial press. I would imagine that using a hand press the quantity extracted may not be as great but by having five trees in full production they should give more oil than a family could use.
Like all fruit trees it would pay to grow more than one variety. If and when new varieties became available if suitable ground was available it would pay to plant some more as olive oil is and always will be a tradeable commodity.
There are a lot of oil presses on the net but if buying one please do yourself a favour and do not buy one that is produced in India as the quality of their workmanship, from what I have seen and heard can be classed as abysmal.
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Post by Peter on Sept 24, 2015 19:40:04 GMT 10
For my money, I'd barter. Of course, one never knows if the property will someday be owned by a neighbour from hell who isn't open to trading.
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Post by peter1942 on Sept 25, 2015 8:38:42 GMT 10
After a bit more research and discussion on olive varieties I have found that the three commercial olive growers in our area have placed orders for Frantoio (Paragon) and Correggiola trees as they say that these are the best oil varieties.
I have also placed an order for two of each of them. I have also spoken to a home grower with a hand press who raved over the quality of their oil and yes they have a very good product and yes, they use their oil for bartering.
A question was asked about planting them in pots, yes, this can be done and they will grow in pots as small as 300 millimeters in size, but, and it is a big but, they have to be watered every day and in our climate where the hottest temperature we have had has been 47.5 degrees if they are not protected the roots would cook.
A point on vegetable oils. Most of the vegetable oils for sale in Australia are blends and some of the oils used are of very dubious quality. Cotton seed oil contains the chemical residues to such a degree that you cannot feed it to cattle as that residue is captured in the meat and is not suitable for export. Palm oil has a melting point of 39 degrees. Humans normally run at about 37.4 degrees which means that the oil hangs around vital organs such as liver and kidneys and females because of their slightly different makeup the oil sits in the thigh area.
Interesting reading the comments from those who would rather barter for a product rather than produce it themselves. We grow and produce quite a bit of our own food requirements because it is part of our lifestyle outlook and to be honest it is not that hard to grow a few trees of any fruit variety and it is great to know how and where the products that you consume come from and are uncontaminated. There are over six thousand chemicals registered in Australia for use in the agricultural and horticultural industries. My advice is, grow your own, and give yourselves and families a chance at having a healthier life.
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Post by Ammo9 on Sept 26, 2015 21:34:11 GMT 10
a property near my retreat has a lot of olive trees (perhaps 100). So I assume they would grow equally well on my place. But do I go to the effort, or just grow something else and barter? Specialisation efficiency means the fastest and cheapest way is to focus on something else and barter. Which is essentially global economics on a local scale. We as preppers mitigate against the day foreign states might be unable or unwilling to supply us goods and you should mitigate the risk your neighbour does the same but at the same time need to make the most of your time and resources. But I think your best bet is to talk to him about it now... He supplies you with an amount of oil or even olives if you like whole ones and you supply him something back, could be anything. Start your local barter economy now rather than when people are scared of their neighbours Ninja edit: I'm of the opinion that every man should be able to do the basics for his family alone but should be able to do one specialised thing for the community. Humans are most effective in communities, share the load if you can
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