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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2016 17:34:17 GMT 10
Not really. Permaculture is a 'systems thinking' approach and so I'd recommend doing a Permaculture Design Course. These are 14 days in duration and not cheap but WILL save you years of trial and error which will end up costing you more. Also, this is one of the greatest tools in building resilience (self-sufficiency), but some of the principles I know will mess with your mind: I know you are a go-it-alone fellow but community might just end up being your best friend.
I would also say that when it comes to property size it's not the size that matters (like I've got more acres than you type mentality) it's what you can do with that property and what that property will support (and not become a burden and you lose your dream). This also means that you will be looking at livestock should you choose, etc, which will dictate land say and carrying capacity of the land. 5 acres sounds like more than enough.
Milkwood is a great place to start with your permaculture research (just Google them) as their permaculture courses are held very near where Mrs FB is looking for land.
As far as books go on permaculture, I'd be looking also at books like Tim Marshall's 'Organic Gardener' .
And finally, get to know people who are either in the process of developing a plot or are actively living the life already; they are out their to help, encourage and mentor others as part of the Permaculture Network.
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Post by Peter on Feb 5, 2016 17:57:03 GMT 10
... I know you are a go-it-alone fellow but community might just end up being your best friend... Are you talking about frostbite? He's into sharing knowledge and experiences over a range of topics with groups of people at one of his properties and has spoken of the importance of community on several occasions. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2016 18:21:49 GMT 10
I apologise for any misconception …. I can only go by what I've read as a new forum member thus far and I assumed (stupidly of me as it now seems) that most people here do not speak openly about community. My comment implied that most have a core group of people (preppers for want of a better term) that they allow into their circle; the intention of my comment is that community is a valuable resource never to be overlooked.
Frosbite, please accept my apologies. I did not mean to offend or criticise.
Mr Pete, thank you for correcting my error of judgement.
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Post by frostbite on Feb 5, 2016 18:46:54 GMT 10
I wasn't offended Magnus. Both you and Mr Pete are correct. I have a core group of trusted prepper friends that I've been inviting onto my 1250 acre networking property in SEQ for 10 years now. These annual meets are designed to build networks and friendships and to share skills and experience. They are generally limited to a core group of preppers though (as you surmised) because they are held on my private property and I usually carefully select participants to ensure each meet is successful. And because a degree of caution is required when inviting armed strangers onto your place.
The only misconception is that I welcome the contribution other people can make. We can learn something from almost everyone and I'd like to think that I'm not so arrogant as to discount another person's hard earned experience. But having said that, I listen to everyone then make up my own mind, so I guess in a way I am a sort of 'go it alone' person. This system has worked for me all my life.
Thankyou magnus for your contribution to this thread. I hope there is much more to come.
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Post by thereth on Feb 5, 2016 19:30:14 GMT 10
I am also looking permaculture literature. I cant afford (more time than money) to spend 2 weeks off work so study + trial and error is the way i will be going.
It seems quite a few of us are heading more into getting small acreage and using it wisely as opposed to large blocks.
Personally i think thats fantastic and it will be great to see the trials and tribulations we all face trying to maximise the productivity of smaller plots.
If you happen to come across any permaculture books or good youtube channels please put them uo here frost, i am sure a lot of us will benefit from it and i am sure we will all do the same.
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Post by Paul on Feb 5, 2016 20:47:26 GMT 10
Hey Frostbite, I not sure how much spare time you have on your hands but I started watching this bloke when I started researching permaculture. there is about 40hr worth of info he gives for free on youtube. He does go off track a bit here and there but has heaps of info.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2016 6:53:11 GMT 10
Bill Mollison is the bloke who (with David Holmgren) started the whole permaculture adventure right here in Oz. Shame it's better known outside Australia.
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Post by Paul on Feb 6, 2016 8:49:11 GMT 10
Bill Mollison is the bloke who (with David Holmgren) started the whole permaculture adventure right here in Oz. Shame it's better known outside Australia. Hey Magnus, Bill is a very smart man, I have watched about 17hr of his online information so Im about half way, I have learnt so much by watching his stuff, I am interested in doing one of his courses as one of his students runs them not far from were I live. I am always looking at land to buy mainly just teasing myself, but it is amazing how watching his stuff has made me look at land differently Now when I look at land I am trying to work out what I would be able to do with it and how I would set is up for production. I will have to find some spare time and continue watching the course. Paul |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2016 9:10:55 GMT 10
Good stuff Paul. David Holmgren still teaches btw and opens his place up for tours every month. David is in VIC.
Geoff Lawton is one of Mollison's star pupils and he has a bunch of vids online, too. Geoff is in QLD.
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Post by tyburn on Feb 6, 2016 12:56:07 GMT 10
I've been watching some of Lawton's vids on the local version of Youtube. One of them was a bit long and put me to sleep, but one where he visits a student with a 60sqm backyard with hundreds of types of fruits, berries, veg etc was an eye-opener of what can be done on a relatively small area of land.
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Post by Hoopy on Feb 8, 2016 7:09:35 GMT 10
Frosty I posted this link on the other forum... www.permies.com/forums/ Now those permi course's run at about 4K which gets you a certificate that enables you to teach (To a degree) permaculture,the thing is you can learn most all of the principle through the forum link above with no need to take time off work or fork out cash.Any book by Bill Molisen (SP?)is good but like most things practical hands on is always the best teacher.Permaculture is no easy quick fix and takes time to grow which I'm sure you are aware of and to the same degree a better system to incorporate into sustainability.I'm glad you are looking into this as like you know food the ability to grow it and replicate it is the number 1 thing I stress to all. |
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Post by selfsufficient on Feb 17, 2017 3:48:46 GMT 10
Permaculture designers manual is the ultimate book to get. www.tagari.com/store/books/permaculture-a-designers-manual/It is very technical but covers all design aspects. After that numerous other books have been written, All have some specific angle the author is pushing which could be region or climate specific, or even spiritual based. I have read well over a hundred of these books and most start to regurgitate the same info after a while. A good book on design apsects is Permaculture design: A step by step design www.amazon.com/Permaculture-Design-Step-Step-Guide/dp/1856230910One of the best resources for design is the old timers in the area. They will soon tell you if something will work or not. Find online Permaculture dsign checklists, these help you to Analyse your property to gather the most information |
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Post by VegHead on Feb 17, 2017 18:38:05 GMT 10
Frosty, there's a good course coming up soon around your area. Look up Milkwood Permaculture for details. The course is on Bio-Intensive vegetable growing.
Veg.
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Post by VegHead on Feb 17, 2017 19:15:49 GMT 10
You're very welcome.
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Post by paranoia on Feb 17, 2017 22:36:53 GMT 10
Whilst Mollisons' designers manual is often seen as the bible I find it to be a bad place to start. It's a dense book of brain storms which can leave people feeling a bit lost and overwhelmed.
My personal recommendation for 'getting into permaculture' is Sepp Holzer's 'Permaculture'. I found it to be more to the point with better practical recommendations.
A lesser known favourite of mine is Will Bonsall's Essential Guide to Radical Self-Reliant Gardening. He tries to reduce inputs to their absolute minimum including fossil fuels. If you want to think post-SHTF food production it's an amazing book.
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Post by VegHead on Feb 18, 2017 7:55:16 GMT 10
I'll second Will's book as we use his techniques a lot. There are many more great books, not Permaculture oriented per se, however I've offered these up before with little interest shown from the forum, but if anyone is interested perhaps a PM stating what you'd like to know or get out of a book I could offer some advice.
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