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Post by Fractus on Feb 29, 2016 6:24:36 GMT 10
I tried growing semi vertical. Problem is heat becomes a factor due to the height out of the cool earth. I think a system of shade for the overly sunny days. Also with movable shade you could grow spuds better in high summer
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Post by graynomad on Feb 29, 2016 9:10:07 GMT 10
I'm already doing some bartering with a neighbour, skills and labour for building materials, suites both of us 'cause he really can't make stuff and I can't really afford to buy what I need to make stuff.
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Post by shinester on Feb 29, 2016 9:14:02 GMT 10
What about metres cubed? Have either of you seen that thing on growing potatoes vertically in a 1x1x1? As a sun arcs across the sky, there's some validity I would imagine in vertical planting and yield/sqm. There's also added costs in plastic containers holding the plants or what have you and you'd have to weigh those up I suppose. Growing spuds in tubs that are above ground and can be opened makes harvesting very easy, by the looks of it [seen some videos on it], though with more costs than sticking them in the ground. Spuds are easy to grow, fantastic nutritional qualities [ you can almost live on spuds alone] and will grow almost anywhere there's sun. The downside with spuds is that the seed potatoes [ basically a normal spud that is certified to be disease free that you plant] only last a few months [just like all spuds] out of the ground, so you can't really store them long term, though you could store them by growing a crop and perhaps just leaving it in the ground. There's the risk of disease of course, though starting with seed potatoes reduces this risk. From there your small 'seed crop' would take some time to develop into a crop large enough to be a stable food for your diet. So you might have a couple of square meters that you keep going and eat some potatoes from yearly [to enjoy growing them and to thin them out a bit], perhaps a couple of varieties [to reduce your risk of disease killing all your crops] and leave or replant many of the spuds to keep the crop going. Obviously throwing on mulch/fertilizer as well. Then take all of those spuds and spread them out over a vast area if SHTF and not eat any until you develop a large enough food to have an ongoing crop to sustain your group. I'm no expert in growing spuds, it just seems like that logical approach to take. 1 sqm of spuds, according to those figures above 'at best' is about enough energy for 6 days of food for one person to give you a gauge on what area we're talking about here. --------------- Bringing it back to the topic of Barter, there's lots of risk and exposing yourself in the idea of Barter in a SHTF situation. Why give intel on what you have? Can you live on what you have already? If not then fair enough, you have no choice, though with all negotiation, if you can't walk away, it's not a negotiation. That is, desperation will cost you in some way. As preppers we plan to reduce those risks of desperation. If things, such as severe economic changes happened, such as the Argentinian Financial Collapse or the Cuba 'special time' and not a full on SHTF, then sure, it would be a part of every day life and whilst the need for security might be elevated, I wouldn't imagine it would be mostly like normal but using goods/skills instead of currency.
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Post by VegHead on Feb 29, 2016 12:14:44 GMT 10
Err, spuds are easily stored long term. It's called canning
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Post by shinester on Feb 29, 2016 12:53:26 GMT 10
Lol and sure a root cellar too does a good job. What I meant was storing the seed potatoes, if you keep them cool and dark, I would imagine you could probably keep then a year or so. Pretty sure those preserved potatoes won't grow.
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Post by Peter on Feb 29, 2016 13:24:59 GMT 10
I really do need to get onto doing a heap of canning. Too many other things have been consuming my time & energy of late...
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Post by VegHead on Feb 29, 2016 13:25:06 GMT 10
They will …… but only probably mould lol. Yeah sorry, misread your para three. BTW spuds can be grown from seed
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Post by myrrph on Feb 29, 2016 17:44:22 GMT 10
dumb question answered
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Post by Fractus on Feb 29, 2016 20:01:59 GMT 10
i really want a cellar
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Post by shinester on Mar 1, 2016 14:19:09 GMT 10
They will …… but only probably mould lol. Yeah sorry, misread your para three. BTW spuds can be grown from seed They can, but aren't they different varieties because of cross pollination and so on aka, hit and miss? Excuse my ignorance here.
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Post by shinester on Mar 1, 2016 15:12:54 GMT 10
^ you did. I should have mentioned that pumpkin is a squash. We also have squash that's not a pumpkin :0 They are great, as you say super easy to grow, can get thousands of seeds for almost nothing and fairly nutritious. Not quite as good as potatoes on nutrition, but the seeds can keep for a couple of years which is great for us preppers.
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Post by SA Hunter on Mar 1, 2016 21:46:04 GMT 10
Bartering - well, being the devils advocate here, if I made a trade with someone, I'd be thinking " if they barter XYZ, then what else do they have that they are hanging onto?" In a shtf scenario, I'm not being nice - I'll have to be as bad as I can, and if it means killing someone to get their supplies, well, I hope it never happens, but is this a reality you are prepared to do???
Think I'll start a new thread!!!!!
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Post by Ammo9 on Mar 1, 2016 21:47:45 GMT 10
New thread title "what's the least you'd kill for"?
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Post by SA Hunter on Mar 1, 2016 22:25:40 GMT 10
New thread title "what's the least you'd kill for"? Added it in General Prep Talk "The nitty gritty of shtf"
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Post by tails on Mar 2, 2016 14:32:20 GMT 10
hmmmm rather fortuitous...
same scenario is playing out on the Walking Dead.
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Post by Peter on Mar 2, 2016 22:16:16 GMT 10
Don't mention the Walking Dead... We've just ended our Foxtel subscription as it's an unnecessary expense.
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Post by tails on Mar 3, 2016 10:52:47 GMT 10
Don't mention the Walking Dead... We've just ended our Foxtel subscription as it's an unnecessary expense. ooo bugger... my apologies... so I better not mention anything about the 84mm they deployed last week...
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Post by spinifex on Aug 8, 2018 15:04:33 GMT 10
Interesting thread. Worth raising from the archive.
I think elsewhere on the forum we have basically established that really serious survival difficulties affecting entire nations often persist for many years before stabilising. I think bartering skills will be mandatory for anyone who wants to do well in the austere future that awaits us.
I feel there are 2 main 'rules'. Don't trade anything 'productive' for anything 'consumable.' And don't trade something you have that will be difficult to replace. Oh ... and rule 3 ... in a 'law deficient' setting ALWAYS have contingencies to deal with counter-parties who might try and get fierce.
Ideally we should strive to be set up to produce something tradable from relatively widely available raw materials using specialist knowledge and experience.
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Post by Peter on Aug 8, 2018 17:32:46 GMT 10
Don't trade anything 'productive' for anything 'consumable.' That's an excellent point. I suppose the old hen only ever went in the pot when it stops laying, after all...
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Post by SA Hunter on Aug 9, 2018 0:44:23 GMT 10
Interesting discussion - if you have something to barter, then you obviously have something you DON'T want to barter! That's what I'd be thinking. And when does the bartering stop?
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