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Post by myrrph on Apr 4, 2016 0:56:01 GMT 10
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Post by Peter on Apr 4, 2016 1:12:24 GMT 10
I'm keen for about half a dozen of these. If anyone else is interested let me know and we can look at a bulk order (with postage between ourselves being a major consideration).
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2016 20:12:52 GMT 10
ncpreppers.com/2011/11/21/protecting-home-electronics-from-emp/Protecting Home Electronics from EMP Posted: November 21, 2011 in Energy, Equipment Tags: atomic bomb, electromagnetic pulse, EMP, faraday bags, protecting electronics, solar flares My husband has done a lot of research on ways to protect at least some of our electronics from an electromagnetic pulse (EMP). The bottom line appears to be that no one knows absolutely for sure what will work. It is impossible to test EMP protective measures at home using real EMPs. We used an AM/FM radio and a pair of walkie talkies to test how well different blocking methods work. Our results may or may not apply to magnetic pulses. We tried the following items as EMP barriers. Ammo can Faraday bag Mylar bag Aluminum foil Galvanized trash can Microwave oven Conventional oven Results First, we learned that almost anything helps at least a little and is better than nothing. Second, in order to be protected from a magnetic pulse, the item needs to be insulated from touching any metal. Third, multiple layers of protection are most effective. Radio sealed for long term storage The best system we found based on research and our experiments is to do the following: Vacuum seal electronics like radios in a FoodSaver bag which acts as an insulator, Wrap it in a double layer of heavy-duty aluminum foil wrapped tightly with no gaps Vacuum seal it again to insulate the foil from touching any metal, Place in a sealed metal ammo can. EMP Garbage Can--long term storage for larger items We were surprised how poorly the the metal containers, microwave, and oven worked without the aluminum foil. However, the microwave and oven still had their cords. Reportedly, if you use an old microwave, you should remove the cord because it acts as an antenna preventing it from blocking the EMP. We are also using a new galvanized trash can for some larger items instead of an ammo can. Faraday Bag--Zip Lock We bought a couple of Faraday bags and tested them in comparison to our regular Mylar storage bags. The Faraday bags were a couple of millimeters thicker, but did not block radio signals any differently than the regular storage Mylar. Both reduced the radio waves getting through, but did not eliminate them. Something packed in a Faraday bag or Mylar bag doesn’t have to be insulated in plastic since the bags have insulating layers on the inside and outside with the metal layer sandwiched between them. We are using the Faraday bags and Mylar bags with ziplock closures placed inside an ammo can to store things that we use regularly and need easy access to, but want to protect. EMP label--long term storage The ammo cans and metal trash can that we are using to store equipment that we don’t need access to are spray painted light blue and are labeled with EMP stickers and the contents. The ammo can we use for easy access is painted lavender also with labels. Unpainted ammo cans are used for ammunition storage.
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Post by tomatoes on Nov 8, 2016 12:54:40 GMT 10
Did anyone end up buying any Faraday Bags?
Looks from the previous post here as though they don't work on their own, but I like the idea of the ziplock faraday bags as a first layer - because of the ease of taking things in and out.
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Post by shinester on Nov 8, 2016 13:22:44 GMT 10
Any metal container that is insulated from your items [cardboard] is faraday cage 'reducing' any electromagnetic [radio/microwaves etc] interference. If you add layers, it should increase this protection. A good test is having a portable radio, CB or similar and seeing what it takes to stop the signal. Microwaves have a mesh door and metal sides and is a faraday cage. The mesh is small enough to not let microwaves escape, though some frequencies can very well get in and out through the mesh. Any mylar bag, which has a thin layer of metal on plastic, will reduce electromagnet waves, so a chip packet would do. You could seal it with an iron and have 'some' protection, though you might want to put that in another metal container. Keep in mind that rechargeable batteries need charging yearly [for LiIon] or they'll eventually die.
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Post by tomatoes on Nov 8, 2016 15:18:40 GMT 10
Yes, I tested a box lined biscuit tin with my phone and a radio. It seemed to work sometimes - phone went straight to voicemail so that was good, but radio went off sometimes and not others. Makes me think I would want a second layer. As there is no way that I can afford extra electronics I'd love a simple way to put things away into such a box just when they're not being used. I figure the bags look good because they are zip locked so I can put things in and out, and then I only need them to be in one tin.
If I were packing things away long term I'd use foil wrapped boxes, nested, but that certainly won't work for a device that gets used for a period of time every day or two.
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Post by shinester on Nov 8, 2016 16:48:23 GMT 10
Makes sense. I'm not especially worried about EMP for items that are not plugged into the grid.
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Post by grumble on Nov 8, 2016 22:22:11 GMT 10
All I could think when I read the web page about the product was
"Imagine how stressful it would be to be affected by a nuclear detonation"
Yeah I could imagine it would be very stressful to be affected by a nuclear detonation in fact it would probably be very stressful so much so that you might even lose your hair
"Now imagine how distressing it would be not to be able to communicate with your loved ones."
well to be honest unless everyone had their phones in a bag at the time and we had some kind of stand alone cell network we wont be making any phone calls cause the normal one just got smoked
now for storing a radio in then yeah great idea
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Post by Nighthawk on Nov 8, 2016 22:39:49 GMT 10
Yeah I know, I was struck by the same thing. A nuke goes of in an area close enough to affect you and your main concern is does your cell phone work? Then again, sadly, that's probably true for far too many people these days.
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Post by paranoia on Nov 9, 2016 8:57:37 GMT 10
Yeah I know, I was struck by the same thing. A nuke goes of in an area close enough to affect you and your main concern is does your cell phone work? Then again, sadly, that's probably true for far too many people these days. I had a birthday party for my son last sunday and invited everyone down to my place. Unless you're with telstra you havent got a hope in hell of getting any coverage, even with telstra its marginal unless you're blue tick. I noticed Dads girlfriend kept pulling out her phone and was looking a little distressesed. She was with vodaphone and it wasnt even picking up a tower, let alone getting signal. It was outwardly obvious she was very uncomfortable about the situation, I was surprised just how much it was affecting her. I'm sure this would be much worse if she knew she couldnt just drive 20 minutes down the road to get coverage. It's crazy just how attached people are to the system.
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Post by tomatoes on Nov 9, 2016 10:09:07 GMT 10
I have lots of books on kindle, schooling resources, sewing/knitting patterns, diy instructions and music that I would like to preserve.
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