gasman
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Post by gasman on Apr 4, 2016 20:37:13 GMT 10
Hi guys
Just a question raised among our own group
( vic of course)
What facilities tools resources etc would u like to see in a post shtf workshop
Input please
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Post by Ammo9 on Apr 4, 2016 20:54:25 GMT 10
Good range of consumables:
Nuts and bolts, washers
Nails and screws
Glues and tapes
oils
sandpaper/wet and dry
Sharpies, chalk, spray paint
Non electric tools:
Saws
Files
Hammers
Drills
Screw drivers
Chisels
Punches
Pliers
Spanners
Tape measures
Set squares
Stanley knife and plenty of blades
Drill bits, assorted
Spirit level
String level and lines
Forge and plenty of whatever fuel you use
Anvil
Smithing hammers and tongs
Solar rig to charge cordless power tool batteries
Power tools including but not limited to: angle ginder, circular saw, recipro saw, drill, impact driver
Cement mixer
Rags!
Could list more but I'm technically at work right now
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Post by thereth on Apr 4, 2016 21:02:48 GMT 10
I am of the mindset that battery operated tool are more beneficial than corded. It is far easier to charge a 12v or 18v battery than it is to operate a drill @ 1200w or similar. It may not be as effective but I think considering you require a lot less power to operate them and nowadays have various options that share batteries (Ryobi one+ for example) it makes far more sense to concentrate on battery operated tools.
However more than anything consumables are key, most of us have the basics and can generally jury rig if need be and desperate enough (car battery arc welder anyone) but you cant have enough screws, washers, nails etc etc
Looking at austemplars list I notice he has forge listed, from a prepping eprspective, if practical, i think it is nearly 100% vital to have a forge, the ability to reshape and forge from scrap is an incredibly handy skill now, let alone when SHTF
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Post by graynomad on Apr 5, 2016 6:29:31 GMT 10
All of the above plus MIG welder, I also have a 24v MIG that can be used from 2 car batteries. I would also maybe add a lathe and mill. I know I've been banging on about my smithy and it is still a work in progress but I'm getting close to actually using all those blacksmith tools I've been buying  I'm really getting into the "make something from junk" way of life, one of the guys at the gun club gave me his old spring pack (he lifted a 4x4) the other day, he wants a knife in return. "Don't hold your breath" I said, but one day I should be able to make a decent usable knife. I love the idea of getting the raw materials (EI old steel ) for free, now I need to learn how to make charcoal so the forge fuel supply is sorted. |
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Post by familyprepper on Apr 5, 2016 8:03:32 GMT 10
A forge for sure
Arc welder (can be run off battery bank)
Welding rods
Gas torch
If you are able to make power then a 250 amp mig plus gas for it
Also stick up on wire for it (you can get wire that has a flux on it so you won't need gas)
Drill press
Lathe
Angle grinders
Drill bits grinding discs
Spanners/sockets
Anvil
Hammers for forge etc
Some things assuming we can supply 240v
Saws power / hand
Consumables would be the hardest thing to make/jury rig
Stocking up on these and storing them away correctly would be vital
Setting up a small metal workshop would be ideal
I had small workshop to build trailers was small but effective (don't have it now)
Add in a lathe etc and you could almost build anything you need
As for welding without the right gas for mig or correct wire no go
Arc welding is a good alternative and easy to stock up on in space terms
Then there are other ways to weld together
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Post by gasman on Apr 5, 2016 8:48:05 GMT 10
What about wood working gear
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Post by Peter on Apr 5, 2016 10:03:17 GMT 10
What about wood working gear I've done much more with timber than metal over the years, so this is more familiar to me. I have boxes and boxes of consumables which will be like gold post-crunch. I also have some timber stored away, but space is the issue here. Importantly, I also have a wide range of tools; power tools, rechargeables, and hand tools. Metalwork is still a skill set I see as important as it will probably be easier to use metal scrap than wood scrap when the timber mills shut down. In the country I'd look at some form of milling for myself, but it's just too noisy where I am now. Apart from the specific trades of metal and wood, being able to perform general, basic tasks and repairs - "handyman" skills and tools as it were - would be not only highly useful, but also highly tradeable both before and after things go pear shaped. Too many people out there don't know one end of a screwdriver from the other, and as with all aspects of preparedness having tools without the skills to use them is folly. |
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Post by thereth on Apr 5, 2016 12:24:18 GMT 10
also plumbing and electrical consumables, things like tap washers, connectors, flux, flaring tools, joiners, spare copper pipe etc, water is so important and it would be a crime if you are conserving water in every way you can but there is a leaking tap or pipe
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Post by familyprepper on Apr 5, 2016 13:34:07 GMT 10
Air compressor too
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Post by gasman on Apr 5, 2016 15:14:53 GMT 10
Thanks guys
Ongoing supply of consumables would be aproblem post collapse
There would lotsa recycling scrounging of wrecked cars and buildings
A forge and solar power are high on the list
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Post by shinester on Apr 5, 2016 16:13:09 GMT 10
More things to hoard  |
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Post by Paul on Apr 5, 2016 20:39:49 GMT 10
I like all my tools, this clip has been posted somewhere on here before I think or one of the other forums I look at. Some people love him some hate him, I have been watching and learning off this bloke for many years and this clip is a good example of you wood and metal working and how they combine with each other. I was always planing on to do a Blacksmithing course, After watching this clip I booked one and it was very educational, I am now planing my next course.
If you have not seen this before it is a good watch.
Paul
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Post by SA Hunter on Apr 5, 2016 22:39:21 GMT 10
Nails, lots of nails, assorted sizes!!!!!
Same with screws - lots, assorted sizes.
Hammers
Screwdrivers
Socket set
Hand saws
Chisels
Wrenches
Fuses, an assortment.
I also have a wire clamp ( metal ring fastener )
Sharpening stone ( sharpen my knives with ).
If the room, lots of fencing wire, and assorted wood assorted lengths & sizes.
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Post by graynomad on Apr 6, 2016 7:51:45 GMT 10
A few of my tools  This was taken a few months ago, I have a lot more of course but this was the start of getting the hand tools organised. |
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Post by gasman on Apr 6, 2016 9:10:45 GMT 10
A few of my tools This was taken a few months ago, I have a lot more of course but this was the start of getting the hand tools organised. you call that a workshop? Far too neat and organised lol Something keeps messing mine up when I m not looking |
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Post by Peter on Apr 6, 2016 10:54:19 GMT 10
Far too neat and organised lol Something keeps messing mine up when I m not looking It's the shed troll. The bugger does the same at my place. |
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Post by Peter on Apr 6, 2016 10:55:25 GMT 10
Seriously though, a question about non-power tools...
How does one drill a hole into masonry (especially hard brick & grano) without power tools? I've only ever brought out the hammer drill, but I can't see a brace/cog drill doing the trick.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2016 17:46:28 GMT 10
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Post by Peter on Apr 6, 2016 19:57:35 GMT 10
I'd never thought a geared/breast drill would get through hard concrete. I'll have to try that one day soon...
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Post by graynomad on Apr 6, 2016 22:14:40 GMT 10
Seriously though, a question about non-power tools... How does one drill a hole into masonry (especially hard brick & grano) without power tools? I've only ever brought out the hammer drill, but I can't see a brace/cog drill doing the trick. "tap and turn" with a star chisel, not that I've tried it (and never want to) |
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