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Post by remnantprep on Jun 28, 2016 22:12:01 GMT 10
Yes we have decided to run Conflicted again! Scenario 6 is below! Comp ends 12th of July!!BAD LEADER Once the local community started to breakdown due to collapse, leaders of all kinds started to step up to the plate. Mindy, the head of the homeowners association, had no experience dealing with this new reality, yet she thought her leadership status in the community gave her the right to make all the decisions. Gordon quickly realized Mindy was the wrong person for the job. She had to be removed. If you were Gordon, how would you go about replacing a bad leader? Prize is below! The colour is second from left! Attachments:
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Post by ziggysdad on Jun 28, 2016 22:18:44 GMT 10
Leadership spill? My wife says just kill her...
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Post by Joey on Jun 28, 2016 22:24:39 GMT 10
Hmm leader of home owners society will be a hard one to topple.
Apart from taking her out the back and putting a bullet in her, the next best option is to hold an election of sorts with all leadership positions up for grabs, from leader, security/sheriff, procurement etc. And a meeting called for a chance for all those nominated to stand up and tell their experiences about the roll they are running for and why they should be voted for.
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Post by Peter on Jun 28, 2016 22:27:11 GMT 10
There are so many assumptions going through my head atm that I couldn't state anything with certainty. But...
My first thought would be to deal with the problem just like I fire a bad manager at work... "I'm afraid you're not coping, and therefore unsuitable for the job. Your outstanding pay will be ready for collection at the end of the week..."
The difference, however, is that the current WAWKI allows this, whereas in TEOTWAWKI we still have to live with her, or face the potential threat of her retaliation. Therefore I'd be much more gentle, sit with her, have a chat, and try to provide some support. That's the tricky part; all too often people refuse to believe that their abilities aren't what they think. Based on this I'd try to have a female she respects join us (yes, if it was a man I'd react differently - because I'm a man. It would be different if we were of the same sex), and break it gently. I'd certainly suggest areas in which she would provide the most benefit to the community while providing her an opportunity to feel worthwhile, valued and dignified.
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Post by Peter on Jun 28, 2016 22:28:47 GMT 10
I will clarify that I'm assuming I'm in a position of leadership; that's always where I seem to end up. Be it at work, at church, at play... Heck, I've been in a random hardware store and staffers have asked me how they should do things. It's uncanny.
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Post by remnantprep on Jun 28, 2016 22:38:16 GMT 10
Peter mods can't win the prize but your answer is really good!
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Post by Peter on Jun 28, 2016 22:43:58 GMT 10
This one's not about winning... it's about mental exercise for myself and hopefully - perhaps - helping others think outside the box.
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Post by remnantprep on Jun 28, 2016 22:45:42 GMT 10
For sure Peter, I put that there so members would know!
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Post by Ammo9 on Jun 29, 2016 7:50:34 GMT 10
Find a better candidate, gather support for that candidate by talking with people about the problems and the solution (changing the leadership). Once the leader is ready to takeover and a reasonable rabble is gathered, go have a quiet chat to Mindy.
If Mindy is open to change, she walks and everyone is happy. If she, as the scenario describes, thinks her old position is still valid then the rabble comes in and has a bit of a protest out the front of her place for halfa.
After that the new leader takes defacto control, Gordon works behind the scenes to ensure everyone is onboard with the new leadership.
If there's more than one good candidate after Mindy is gone and people break into factions then try organise an election.
Personally I don't think pur version of democracy is the most efficient form of governance but in a situation where people have lost all control, giving them a voice might be very beneficial to their mindset.
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Post by graynomad on Jun 29, 2016 9:13:29 GMT 10
... Personally I don't think pur version of democracy is the most efficient form of governance ... Democracy: A system that allows 51% of the people to tell the other 49% what to do.  |
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Post by ygidorp on Jun 29, 2016 11:12:27 GMT 10
Directly challenging someone is generally the best way to start a fight, even in everyday life. Not something you want to do.
Going around and canvassing support can also be seen as attempting a coup behind someone's back. Not a good impression for those you want following you, and not likely to be well received by the existing leadership in question.
Before attempting to say what is wrong, have a very good idea of how it should be done right. Hindsight on the other hand is 20/20 - you don't want to be THAT "I-told-you-so" person. You want other people to say "Gordon was right", without having to prompt them.
Thus:
1/. Pre-empting the bad outcomes of a decision and suggesting alternative courses of action. Make it clear while you are doing your best to support the current leader, there are other viable options.
2/. Be the positive and pro-active person. Don't just come up with your own ideas, be inclusive of other peoples' ideas and support them wherever possible. This will build support for you as a leader.
3/. Especially in a leadership issue, having other people fight your battle for you is the most effective way of gathering support. Refer #2.
4/. If your ideas ARE better, you will naturally gather support. If you do not gather support, it's time for a reality check on whether your alternatives are actually better then the status quo.
5/. Have an exit strategy (diplomacy, strategic, tactical) at all times in case the existing leadership goes in a direction you are unable to follow.
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Post by ygidorp on Jun 29, 2016 11:16:15 GMT 10
Hmm leader of home owners society will be a hard one to topple. Apart from taking her out the back and putting a bullet in her, the next best option is to hold an election of sorts with all leadership positions up for grabs, from leader, security/sheriff, procurement etc. And a meeting called for a chance for all those nominated to stand up and tell their experiences about the roll they are running for and why they should be voted for. Regardless of differences in opinion, committing murder in a group attempting to hold together will instantly put you on the outside and either get you executed as a danger to the group or expelled. |
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Post by tyburn on Jun 29, 2016 14:26:25 GMT 10
I actually like Joey's idea of having people nominate for different jobs. This would improve productivity (ie. not one person doing everything), but also dilute control by that one person. Of course, as time goes on, you may then have a bunch of factions set up behind each role to deal with. (eg. procurement officer figures that since he gets all the food, he should be higher ranking than the boss, who just gives orders)
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Post by Joey on Jun 29, 2016 22:15:34 GMT 10
I actually like Joey's idea of having people nominate for different jobs. This would improve productivity (ie. not one person doing everything), but also dilute control by that one person. Of course, as time goes on, you may then have a bunch of factions set up behind each role to deal with. (eg. procurement officer figures that since he gets all the food, he should be higher ranking than the boss, who just gives orders) Well ideally in the end, you want to not have a "leader" but the collective of managers persay who make the decisions as a group majority vote. This being that everyone hasn't turned into animals and gone wild, but still have a will to continue our current model of leadership instead of everybody going it for themselves. |
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Post by remnantprep on Jul 10, 2016 13:32:46 GMT 10
Bump 2 more days to enter! We need a few more entries!
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Post by graynomad on Jul 11, 2016 8:05:16 GMT 10
Shoot the bi...oh sorry, wrong forum.
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Post by shinester on Jul 11, 2016 19:31:47 GMT 10
Leaders only have power if people listen to them, if you have no one on your team, then you lead only yourself. So my approach would be to Usurp her very tenuous position with great networking, connection and knowledge, aka just be so much better than her. This is particularly important to people when they're scared, seeing someone who is clear headed and sure tends to have people following them. Assuming I was best for the job [we might have a business leader who is well respected in the community that might be better], I would simply go house to house talking with all members within the community, asking them what they want, their concerns, what they could offer the community etc, build a team of the best people in key positions and arrange my own meeting. Even is she showed up, with the knowledge of what the people want, having an organized team and some connections with people ought help my position. Of course if someone was better for the job, I'd campaign for them similarly. Either way, rustling up popular support would be my plan.
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Post by paranoia on Jul 11, 2016 22:50:14 GMT 10
I would attempt to lead people away from the "one person makes the decisions" model. If one person is in charge there will always be people trying to take that position, ususally those unsuitable, like Mindy.
The flip side is if everyone has a say, nothing will get done.
I propose a system where no less than 3 people are in charge of any decision, these people are selected from the community like a jury and would change on a regular basis say weekly/fortnightly. You could go through a pool of everyone who was interested until you started again.
No closed door meetings, any community member is welcome at any discussion.
Doesn't directly address the issue of Mindy, but would solve it in a way. I disagree with the whole idea of one person in charge.
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Post by Ammo9 on Jul 11, 2016 22:59:06 GMT 10
3 people for any decision... seriously think that anything will get done?
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Post by paranoia on Jul 11, 2016 23:26:15 GMT 10
This criticism is often thrown around of such systems. I've been on committees much larger than 3 and it isn't that had to get people to agree to sensible things.
You've never got a single person to agree with you? You don't need a consensus...
It all comes down to if you think people actually *need* leadership to be able to live their lives.
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