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Post by Joey on Jul 5, 2016 19:43:18 GMT 10
Just wondering where you guys have seen or bought your food processing gear for those of us budget conscious peppers looking to start food stores.
What is the expected price range for the following..
Dehydrator Vacuum sealer Pressure canner Etc
Links if possible please.
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Post by SA Hunter on Jul 5, 2016 19:56:57 GMT 10
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Post by Joey on Jul 5, 2016 21:09:44 GMT 10
Has anyone tried those "6in1" cookers for pressure cooking during canning? Saw them at BigW the other week and said they can pressure cook
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Post by Peter on Jul 5, 2016 21:15:19 GMT 10
I have a 6 in 1 cooker. It is NOT SUITABLE for pressure canning. They're awesome for slow cooking, making broths & stocks, cooking rice, pressure cooking (not canning), plus a few other tasks. If you use the deep frying function, remember that you need to put the maximum amount of oil in it to maintain proper temperature when cool ingredients are used. The first time I used it for deep frying I only used half the oil I should have and it failed.
In terms of a dehydrator, you can use an oven with the door slightly ajar, fan forced, and temperature very low (around 30C). That's how I made jerky for years before buying a dehydrator.
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Post by Joey on Jul 5, 2016 21:57:09 GMT 10
That's a bugger then for the 6in1 for canning as that's what caught my eye on it. Already got a decent slow cooker, so will keep my eye out for a proper pressure cooker at an alright price.
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Post by Peter on Jul 5, 2016 22:05:38 GMT 10
Try ozfarmer.com/ - a few of us on the forum bought one there on special some time ago, and they are generally competitive on many of the items I've searched for there. I'm a regular customer of theirs.
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Post by shinester on Jul 6, 2016 4:47:31 GMT 10
- Stick a fork in your oven door set it to the lowest temp and you have a free dehydrator. I used oven trays. Otherwise pretty much any of them, they do the same thing, warm and blow air. - You can do high acid canning such as tomatoes or vinegar based ones with any large pot, I use a soup pot for the sterilizing and whatever I cooked the batch in. Boil used pasta jars with the removed lid and I use tongs [and a proper jar remover] to pull out, a ladle to fill with the 'very hot' ingredients and then I tighten with a clean tea-towel. The used lids have a silicone seal on them that is reusable many times [probably indefinitely]. When the jars have cooled they will be vacuum sealed and opening them gives a satisfying 'pop'. Many preserves can be done this way. - I got my pressure canner from Ozfarmer on special as mentioned by Peter, it's excellent, used it heaps, see posts. The 'All American' pressure canner is a better canner due to not needing rubber seals [aka lasts forever] and I think it's a little bigger and they're huge as it is. When I looked a while back Amazon seemed to have the best deal on it and I was sitting on the idea for ages until I saw that special and jumped at the chance and glad I did as I love to can and I've had zero issues with mine, either are highly recommend. I suggest getting yourself 1/2 pint jars for 'meal sized' portions, unless you have larger families I suppose. I personally prefer kmart drinking jars as they're super cheap $1.50, work great for soups [they have a handle] and I've only broken them because I put hot jars in cold water a couple of times. Lids and rings you can get from BigW. You only need as many rings as jars that will fit in your canner as you remove them after cooling though I suppose you could do a second batch one after the other, to which you might need 2 sets. I have way too many lol. As long as you don't bend them too much, the lids last many uses, which cuts down on cost and I've got enough to last me decades right now. Failed seals are usually due to over tightening, it only needs a lightly finger closed to seal properly. - you can pressure can in a normal pressure cooker if they have a pressure regulator that allows you to set different pressures [thats all a canner is]. The main problem is that they're often too small and you'll want to be doing larger batches to save you time. I typically can about 6-9L of food [12-18 meals] at a time to give you an idea. I only do it about once a month now and I keep the cupboard full of ready to eat food no problem. We had to buy another cupboard and I keep about 80-100 meals stored. - I tried vacuum sealing, hated it due to seals failing and it costs too much/unit of food for bulk storage. Might have been my unit however. I got a hand vacuum pump for Mason jars, which would do a similar job, the jars reusable though haven't used it.
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Post by Joey on Jul 6, 2016 6:00:13 GMT 10
I though the high acid foods didn't work too well with the water bath method?
I've got a slab of half pint jars I got from bigw as well as a starter kit that the missus has hidden away somewhere as it's "junk" and the silly woman used my large pot that came with it to cook up a big batch of pasta for a party and burnt pasta into the base pretty much ruining the pot
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Post by graynomad on Jul 6, 2016 10:44:18 GMT 10
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Post by Peter on Jul 6, 2016 14:59:11 GMT 10
- I tried vacuum sealing, hated it due to seals failing and it costs too much/unit of food for bulk storage. Might have been my unit however. I got a hand vacuum pump for Mason jars, which would do a similar job, the jars reusable though haven't used it. I only use my vacuum sealer for freezing portions of ingredients. For example: - I slice home-made bacon and put a few rashers in. These freeze very well for storage - I often buy meat in bulk (either multi-packs or a large cut of meat which I portion) - again this helps with storage in the freezer - When I next cycle GHB contents, the foods will be portioned into meals and sealed in vacuum bags (possibly mylar, but this is probably overkill). I never use the vacuum bags for anything wet as the machine tries to suck it up. Remember also that the smooth texture of mylar prevents a vacuum sealer from working effectively; once most of the mylar bag is sealed, a vacuum hose can be inserted, air removed, and the final bit of opening can be sealed. The same vacuum hose attachment can be used with the pump (I have the Sunbeam FoodSaver IIRC) for use on jars, but I haven't tried that yet.
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Post by shinester on Jul 6, 2016 21:51:54 GMT 10
I though the high acid foods didn't work too well with the water bath method? I've got a slab of half pint jars I got from bigw as well as a starter kit that the missus has hidden away somewhere as it's "junk" and the silly woman used my large pot that came with it to cook up a big batch of pasta for a party and burnt pasta into the base pretty much ruining the pot Technique 1: Water Bath Canning
Water bath canning is a shorter, lower-temperature canning process that is ideal for high-acid foods. The high acidity of the foods kills bacteria, allowing for the water bath method. Types of fruits and vegetables ideal for water bath preserving, include:
- www.freshpreserving.com/canning-101-getting-started.html --------
The reason high acid foods are ok in water bathing is that everything else except botulism spores are killed by your typically cooking/boiling temps no problem and the botulism spores can't survive/grow in a high acid environment. Acid is a great preservative, hence pickled foods as an aside. -- Lets called the blackened marks 'seasoning' the pot, haha. I'm not even sure how you would ruin a pot, other than it's esthetics. Looks like the same one, trying to remember what I paid, something like $150 delivered with a few 1/4 pint jars. The extras you'll want and I'd recommend anyhow, so the jars $25-35, Blue book $15, funnel $15, Extra lids $8 - so it's similar value. I would highly recommend the tongs also ozfarmer.com/ball-mason-premium-bottle-tongs-jar-lifter-ball-mason?search=tongs though I think I remember them being a little cheaper at big W. I've got it so I can can the food I desire and I MUCH rather doing this than sticking it in the freezer now for convenience and as a prepper an ability to continue to store excesses of foods when in season. I'm not sure that at $200-400 investment [depending on the number of jars] is more economical than just storing tinned food. - I tried vacuum sealing, hated it due to seals failing and it costs too much/unit of food for bulk storage. Might have been my unit however. I got a hand vacuum pump for Mason jars, which would do a similar job, the jars reusable though haven't used it. I only use my vacuum sealer for freezing portions of ingredients. For example: - I slice home-made bacon and put a few rashers in. These freeze very well for storage - I often buy meat in bulk (either multi-packs or a large cut of meat which I portion) - again this helps with storage in the freezer - When I next cycle GHB contents, the foods will be portioned into meals and sealed in vacuum bags (possibly mylar, but this is probably overkill). I never use the vacuum bags for anything wet as the machine tries to suck it up. Remember also that the smooth texture of mylar prevents a vacuum sealer from working effectively; once most of the mylar bag is sealed, a vacuum hose can be inserted, air removed, and the final bit of opening can be sealed. The same vacuum hose attachment can be used with the pump (I have the Sunbeam FoodSaver IIRC) for use on jars, but I haven't tried that yet. Hmm... interesting. I was using the correct bags, the ones that came with the unit actually. I think my main issue was the seals failing over time and that might have been my unit doing a crap job of fusing. I might have another play with it and I can always use an iron to be sure of the seals to be sure..
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Post by Joey on Jul 6, 2016 21:57:05 GMT 10
So can I bottle spaghetti bol in the water bath?
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Post by shinester on Jul 6, 2016 23:24:05 GMT 10
The 'sauce'/tomato paste you can. The ph has to be acidic, it's rather important. You can't do it with the spaghetti itself in there nor meat.
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Post by Peter on Jul 7, 2016 0:39:01 GMT 10
Great info. I'd obviously got confused about the temperature/pH issue...
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