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Post by grumble on Jul 10, 2016 16:34:06 GMT 10
Ok so here is a question and a post I expect to die and fade quickly but if it makes people consider the subject then it has worked
The question I ask is how do we all intend to deal with environmental contamination and preventing it from contaminating your BOL
Now say its dust from a volcanic eruption and there is lots of it around have you thought of how you would prevent its entry into the home?
What if its a virus that's caused a global pandemic how do prevent it from entering your home
you get the idea right
Do you have a plan and resources set aside to deal with decontaminating people, surfaces and clothing?
Do you have a dedicated decontamination zone?
Do you have a method of dealing with contaminated materials ?
Think of all the different manners that hazards could be accidently brought into a safe clean zone
So am I alone in this field for having set up a set of plans and resources and a couple of mods to the house to serve as decontamination zones or have others done the same |
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Post by shinester on Jul 10, 2016 16:46:56 GMT 10
I have thought about it and have some very basic plans. I have plastic sheeting, tape, though of setting up a way to use pool shock [bleach] in a spray bottle lots of gloves, painters coverings, masks and so on. I really need more of each of them so that things can be thrown away/burnt rather than trying to clean them. It's not ideal, it's something. I'm not at all concerned about volcanoes, though nuclear fallout is an incredibly low but not zero possibility. My main issue and I've got an unread book on it, is air filtration. I get 'how' to in principle but I haven't worked on it enough to call myself ready for such things.
Emergency Air - F.J. Bohan. - as I said, haven't read it, a skim shows it to have some potentially workable ideas.
For virus/pandemic, the best option is distance, keeping people 1.5m away and not having them in your space is the best way to ensure a safe place and I have more than enough food and water in storage to do that.
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Post by ziggysdad on Jul 10, 2016 17:04:45 GMT 10
Not where I thought you were going...was expecting a post about nuclear/radioactive decontamination.
I've been thinking about volcanic ash a lot in the past few months (reading the Life as We Knew It series, Ashfall series and the Road kind of force you to give it some thought). I've got ready access to surgical masks, but assuming you have to come and go from your house don't know how you could really prevent ash from entering (sealed environment with redundant air filtration systems, negative pressure and a series of decontamination locks - but how would you power this in a SHTF scenario...the ash would negate all solar options).
As for virus, normal precautions will be in effect...surgical mask, eye protection and gloves/hand sanitizer. If it is airborne I don't believe that any small home improvements will get the job done - especially if you need to leave the house/bunker for any reason. Even if you were able to achieve a hermetically sealed environment, you wouldn't be able to stop an infected person from trying to breach that environment without breaching it yourself.
Back following 9/11 (especially following all of the anthrax scares) every American family was encouraged to prepare a closet or interior room to seal themselves off with plastic sheeting and duct tape for as long as possible.
I'll be curious to see what others come up with.
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Post by Joey on Jul 10, 2016 17:53:46 GMT 10
Hmmm the only thing I've thought to this topic, is once you have small communities starting back up again with border security and all, is any newcomers will require to spend 1-2 weeks in an isolated area on the outskirts of the community so they don't being in any viruses or anything, and also gives time to vet their character if they are trustworthy enough to be allowed into the community.
But as far as ash clouds go, on the entryway to your house/building, you could build a small extension to the door with its own door to act as a air lock of sorts to stop the bulk of the ash coming inside when you open the door.
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Post by SA Hunter on Jul 10, 2016 18:23:38 GMT 10
Hmmm - very good post there grumble - never really thought of it at all!!
My plan is to bug in, but am looking for a few bols if needed. All I really have is about 20 hospital grade masks, but really need to look into this more. Thanks!! Got me thinking!!
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Post by ziggysdad on Jul 10, 2016 18:42:52 GMT 10
Hmmm the only thing I've thought to this topic, is once you have small communities starting back up again with border security and all, is any newcomers will require to spend 1-2 weeks in an isolated area on the outskirts of the community so they don't being in any viruses or anything, and also gives time to vet their character if they are trustworthy enough to be allowed into the community. But as far as ash clouds go, on the entryway to your house/building, you could build a small extension to the door with its own door to act as a air lock of sorts to stop the bulk of the ash coming inside when you open the door. Typhoid Mary would have sat through the two weeks and still walked in and wiped out your community...anyone ever watched The Nick? |
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Post by grumble on Jul 10, 2016 19:22:23 GMT 10
Some interesting posts there so far
The way I have addressed it is to have 3 zones
dirty zone
interchange/decontamination
clean
Then enter the building
I have put a side some plastic to line the windward side of the house and the windows on the opposite side.
I have a 3small hot houses that I have converted into a decontamination system so you walk in to one end and strip off your dirty clothing then wash down in the middle one then change into clean clothing in the last one
water is supplied via a hand pump that does a pretty good job
sure its nothing like the emergency services have but in a pinch it will suffice
Most contamination is reasonably easy to prevent form being carried in its biological that's a bit harder that's where foot baths and showers come into play
my set up wont stop everything but it will slow down a potential threat buying valuable time
I mean just say there is a pandemic and you have to slip out for a bit and you walk past someone and the spit on your clothing everything you have done with social distancing and face protection will be undone the instant you unknowingly touch that spit once your home
I look forward to reading a few more peoples thoughts on the subject
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Post by shinester on Jul 11, 2016 19:47:05 GMT 10
Hmmm the only thing I've thought to this topic, is once you have small communities starting back up again with border security and all, is any newcomers will require to spend 1-2 weeks in an isolated area on the outskirts of the community so they don't being in any viruses or anything, and also gives time to vet their character if they are trustworthy enough to be allowed into the community. That BBC series 'survivor' from the 70s [youtube], to which I very much recommend [ignore the communist propaganda lol] includes how their small community handled potential disease and isolating people for a time. |
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Post by graynomad on Jul 12, 2016 15:00:18 GMT 10
So far such things have hardly been on my radar. For a pandemic forget 1.5m separation, think 1.5k  and hope that when it's passed the survivors aren't carriers and you can never interact with people again. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2017 22:00:01 GMT 10
My idea for a biological threat is to bug in all sealed up...listening to the radio in the hope they find a inoculation before i catch it.
For fall out radiation or ash etc I have a couple of good quality dust masks, disposable gloves, full waterproof suit and plastic coveralls, I would tarp in my Verandah to make a decontamination area. I also have Geiger counters and iodine tablets on hand.
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Post by paranoia on Feb 27, 2017 22:14:46 GMT 10
I've got an old house (mid 1890s) that had huge sealing issues. I used a couple rolls of cotton reinforced aluminium insulation tape which is super strong and super sticky and fixed most of the issues. Stuck to rock, brick, wood ect without issue and still holding strong without lifting 6 months later. I have an extra roll if I ever needed to tape up a couple tarps and completely seal off the house but I'm a long way from that, still have holes/gaps/cracks around to fill, long process. It's expensive but a very good product.
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