guest: The news article mentions we have no nuke infrastructure, so i wonder who gets dibs on that slice of the pie?
Sept 16, 2021 0:10:12 GMT 10
Beno: South Australia. They came close to developing a nuke waste disposal facility a few years ago and the conversation never really went away.
Sept 16, 2021 6:32:27 GMT 10
spinifex: I want nuclear subs with nuclear weapons systems so bad ... but lets not still fool around designing something new. Lets just get the best there currently is in existence today and get them combat ready ASAP. Core national defence!
Sept 16, 2021 8:04:44 GMT 10
spinifex: Then lets get serious with SAM weapons systems (including early warning and electronic warfare aircraft to enhance the use of SAMs)
Sept 16, 2021 8:06:24 GMT 10
spinifex: The rest of defence spending can be diverted into those two areas. The days of running around doing asymetrical warfare police actions is over for both Oz and the US. The next war will be much more like WW2 ... but teched up!
Sept 16, 2021 8:09:32 GMT 10
malewithatail: In the 20 minutes or so it will last !!
Sept 16, 2021 13:51:07 GMT 10
malewithatail: In one swoop, the USA has created the 5 th most powerful army in the world. The total amount of aid given to Israel in the last 60 years is 100 billion, and now they gave the Taliban 80 billion dollars of stuff. Who is this insane president anyway ?
Sept 18, 2021 14:19:02 GMT 10
malewithatail: Look out western nations, terrorism will increase exponentially, so I expect bombings and other acts to be perpetrated on us all in the coming months.
Sept 18, 2021 14:24:27 GMT 10
frostbite: We are already victims of the covid terror campaign inflicted on us by our governments.
Sept 18, 2021 16:42:51 GMT 10
malewithatail: yup, and expect more to come.
Sept 18, 2021 17:51:19 GMT 10
malewithatail: Whatever happened to "my body, my choice ?" Obviously, it only applies when the Polyfilth want it to.
Sept 18, 2021 17:59:57 GMT 10
Bought a bunch more Bic lighters (Woolworths has started stocking two packs on the shelves so you don't have to purchase at customer service with the cigarettes). These should make great barter items - especially packaged with tea lights.
Last Edit: Aug 13, 2016 22:30:13 GMT 10 by ziggysdad
Thanks bud, I'm all about win-win and I get back easily as much as I give here.
I guess also it's for everyone as trade might not be just items, what skills/services and knowledge do you possess that might be of use in an Austere and changing environment? Can you sew well, imagine if international trade stopped for some reason... we have almost zero locally produced goods? What about growing food, in Cuba during the 'special times' everyone started growing a garden. How do you water and fertilize a garden? Can you teach people about water filtration so they prevent disease and medicine that is rare and hard to get? These are business opportunities in all but the worst kind of situation. We see this even in Bosnia with Selco who refilled lighters using a LPG tank he had. I have a personal friend who's family were also there who sold fake 'nike' T-shirts, making enough to flee the conflict, fashion it seems was still important in the middle of a civil war. Do you run impromptu workshops, sell booklets, sell your skills for a certain price, manufacture simple but needed items? In Argentina the most needed jobs [at least from one prepper] during their collapse were teachers and security. Can you run a small school for kids? You might not be able to ask much, aka 'change what the market will bare' though it might also be enough to get you by.
Another example, there's so many solar panels on roofs, but most are tied to the grid and useless if the grid goes down. Lead acid batteries [car batteries] can handle a bit of over charging so long as the current's not too high [they just bubble] so roof panels turn into daily 12V power, perhaps for lighting for a bit of normalcy using a car battery and a car globe. Perhaps you hook up car USB converters [most people have one] and I could do it all of that with a knife, though other tools would be better of course. With a nail [I'd rather have a soldering iron!] I could easily construct a basic power regulator for most things that plug into the wall. That's because I carry with me knowledge in electronics.
I also get that there's situations where all of that is far too dangerous, perhaps it's disease or perhaps it's violence, though those times, at least in history are short lived if they happen at all. I plan for both, and at some point things change again, it's always done that. In the fall of Rome, it was depopulated by almost 99.7% in a year because the surrounding countryside couldn't support the population and other factors. The thing is, 30,000 of the 1 million people stayed/survived. That's the point of prepping, to give a greater chance of being that percentage if things did suddenly change. If you can support yourself through such times through self sustainability, supplies or trade or all of those things, then things will reach equilibrium again at some point, trade always returns. What skills/product can you bring to market in such times that would be of value? That's hard to quantify, because it would depend, though skills have the advantage of being transferable anywhere. My wife can make anything with a needle and thread, even without a machine if need be.
What if there were power shortages, the market would be wanting power for charging phones/lighting for music/distraction/comfort. What if I hired myself out with a few batteries on a trolley that I hire out or offer a service in charging say car batteries or phones? Sure there's risks in it, there's risks in any of these trades, the thing here and perhaps my theme in most situations you'll still need a job unless you can grow enough of your own food. What if it's an economic collapse that goes on for a decade as happened in parts of the former soviet union?
Knowledge is with you, sometimes you can trade items for it, sometimes it might just be good will, which in some ways might be the most valuable of all available items.
Items are fine, one of our members was correct also in presenting the more extreme possible situation where food is the only thing that matters, not tea, I think like all risk management, having a variety of options available give you more choices and he who is most flexible, wins. Do you have potential business ideas that would work if we turned into the third world? Having some of those things in mind might have you be able to run that sewing machine, or encourage you to put aside more seeds. Obviously we want to have multiple uses for said items as well and as always prep for nothing happening too. I really do want a large forge and 10 CNC machines so I can turn scrap into products... the thing is if nothing happened, that's a lot of money for something I don't use.
Last Edit: Aug 19, 2016 2:41:34 GMT 10 by shinester
"What if there were power shortages, the market would be wanting power for charging phones/lighting for music/distraction/comfort. What if I hired myself out with a few batteries on a trolley that I hire out or offer a service in charging say car batteries or phones? Sure there's risks in it, there's risks in any of these trades, the thing here and perhaps my theme in most situations you'll still need a job unless you can grow enough of your own food."
My daughter once spent 8 months is a third world craphole, much of it running a retrains site on a remote mountain top, guarded by a section of infantry. Dangerous enough to be fully tooled up and to stand-to every dawn and dusk. She didn't even go to the toilet without a loaded Steyr. Yet she still had an arrangement with a local who climbed the mountain each day. She would use her gensets to charge the village mobile phones, he would supply fresh food to supplement their rat packs. Even in a war zone trade finds a way.
I love hearing these real world examples, thanks frostbite!