remnantprep
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Post by remnantprep on Aug 22, 2016 10:09:53 GMT 10
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Post by Peter on Aug 22, 2016 10:40:28 GMT 10
Just remember they're talking more about terrorist attacks (that will usually be dealt with fairly quickly), not all out war. Unless they take the grid down, of course...
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Post by PlanZ on Aug 22, 2016 10:59:48 GMT 10
No doubt it's insufficient, but the thing that's interesting is the fact that they're giving ANY advice to stockpile resources. That says a lot. and 10 days is more than the advice most organisations or governments give to the general population. |
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Post by Fractus on Aug 22, 2016 11:18:43 GMT 10
The report reads like it will be obligatory to store the food.
"The population will be obliged to hold an individual supply of food for ten days," the newspaper quoted the government's "Concept for Civil Defence" - which has been prepared by the Interior Ministry
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Post by frontsight on Aug 22, 2016 12:11:01 GMT 10
Well until we get actual attacks, I will just treat it as sound government policy. Ok to have super in case we get old n have no money. We have insurance for car drivers..... surely 10 days food is just a sound advise. Most countries have government food and oil reserve anyway, I just hope they dont make the citizens do it so they can cut out spending.
Besides, it is great news for city preppers, more time to bug out before a food riot if grid down
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Post by shinester on Aug 22, 2016 16:02:38 GMT 10
Just wish that advice were normal and to everyone. 10 days would alleviate all but the worst of disasters/problems and you could easily ration that out to 3 weeks without too much issue.
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Post by bushranger on Aug 22, 2016 20:03:55 GMT 10
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Post by krull68 on Sept 12, 2016 22:59:05 GMT 10
Germans are being told to stock foods because of heightened risk of terrorist attacks from the people merkel brought into German on mass.
Talk about deliberately creating a crisis.
These people keep getting elected...........somehow.
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Post by Peter on Sept 13, 2016 10:20:43 GMT 10
These people keep getting elected...........somehow.  |
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Post by tassietom on Oct 5, 2016 15:34:23 GMT 10
Not sure if most people in Australia really realize what country scale prepping really is.
I worked in Europe a number of years ago for a company owned by the French government and I visited on business just one place I'll talk about in Switzerland and I drove to the top of a very large hill with a small farmhouse on the site and steep sides of about 45-50 degrees, the farm had a small concrete structure near the barn which had an elevator in it and we descended down an incredibly long way, and came out into this amazing large cavern with rounded ceiling. The width would have been at least 20 metres wide x 20 metres high and the tunnel extended as far as the eye could see but, to really appreciate it you need to understand the elevator landed in the middle of the axle with tunnels radiating out in all directions with at least 8 tunnels as far as the eye could see. In each of the tunnels, pallets were stacked with food, cordial, water 12 pallets high. This tunnel complex was one of dozens throughout Switzerland and could feed the entire population of the country for 1 year.
I personally visited other locations with other food banks. In Sweden I visited military installation where planes landed on roads and taxied into road tunnels beneath mountains with revetments carved out into the side walls of the tunnels so planes could be serviced and then roll back out onto the roadways then taxi and take off. Every house built in Switzerland by law must have a bunker installed and every person to the age of 55 must have an assault rifle with ammunition in their home.
So when I hear the arguments and ridicule in Australia about preppers buying some food and stockpiling supplies, I just shake my head and say nothing because you don't seem to get anywhere here by arguing with people, they all just seem to think your a doomsday nut job and laugh at you behind your back
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Post by tassietom on Oct 5, 2016 16:06:53 GMT 10
Noted the comments about German's being told to stockpile 10 days worth of food. The Checz republic has also told its citizens to stockpile food. Ten days food supply is for immediate consumption by people in their own homes, the Government like in Switzerland has huge underground stockpiles of food and water for distribution to its citizens in the event of war or major natural calamity.
The real question to be asked is not if the food they are stockpiling is enough on the macro level but, Why?
the terror threat level has not been raised in either country by the government nor is there any sign of a natural calamity. (unless the governments know something and haven't told the poor masses about)The only logical explanation would be the possibility of some war threat.
We know that many of the previous wars have started over some minor incident or false flag provocation.
Russia has been quietly raising the tension level and withdrawing from treaties and dialogue within the middle east (Syria) with the US
they recently conducted mass civil defence drills involving millions of their citizens (has the US done the same?)
Russia has recently completed massive naval exercises with China.
in April 2016 in the Baltic sea the Russians overflew the USS Donald Cook an Arleigh Burke class destroyer with the Aegis air defence system, the US protested their concern about the overflights as more akin to strafing runs than overflight as they were as low as 30' above the ship.
what's not mentioned is the fact the Russians were able to stop/kill/switch off or jam the entire defensive measures and Aegis defence system on-board that ship sending a clear message to the Americans that they could do what they liked and the Yanks couldn't do anything to stop them. The crew on-board the ship were completely freaked out and some resigned from the navy upon the ships return to the USA.
Russia's support for the Assad regime in Syria is again more typical of the proxy wars superpowers engage in so that they don't have to get there own hands dirty nor engage in actual conflict with each other, however, the Russians claim that the US has been funding ISIS and other groups within the middle east appears to have some traction and the Russians are clearly not prepared to listen to US spin and propaganda.
not sure if I like the way the major superpowers are acting. It would appear that an agenda is underway and the little people like us may not like the consequences of this agenda.
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Post by perthprepper on Oct 5, 2016 16:11:59 GMT 10
every person to the age of 55 must have an assault rifle with ammunition in their home. Are you 100% sure about this bit? I've been there quite a few times and stayed with locals who went back and forth between Aussie and Switz... Never came across this info. Quite interesting if correct I do remember a local telling me that just about everyone has to do army reserve. So they maintain a bare-bones full time army but can draw on a lot of reservists (for a country of its population) if anything hits the fan |
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Post by Peter on Oct 5, 2016 16:33:51 GMT 10
I've heard of this before, but haven't been able to confirm it. I understand that the EU is enforcing their gun control onto Switzerland piece-by-piece, but I don't know to what extent.
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Post by tassietom on Oct 5, 2016 16:45:27 GMT 10
Can confirm a couple of items - base load of ammunition is stored at each reservists home but, stored separately like in Australia.
The military regulations and laws are exempt from the EU regulations as its only a member of the EU free trade association and not a formal signatory to the EU. Similar to what the UK is now trying to become after Brexit, with trading rights within the EU
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Post by Fractus on Oct 6, 2016 13:46:12 GMT 10
i wonder if by "army ammunition" they mean an individual with a weapon can have personal ammo or is that just a blanket no ammo at home rule.
Peter Helliar was a ABC stand in presenter and interviewed his twin brother, who is a doctor with the red cross based in Switzerland. The brother said it was nothing to see a young bloke walking down the road in the rural areas with a rifle, apparently on his way to a range to have a shoot. but no dates were given for these events so may predate the law changes.
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shinester
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Post by shinester on Oct 6, 2016 15:38:25 GMT 10
Had the same thinking. I would imagine that most people would have some ammo at home if they shoot it, to which many do and it least there used to be some yearly requirement. I'm not too fussed about the specifics of what the Swiss do, though it's a good model of a strong self defense is one of the best ways to be free.
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Post by PlanZ on Oct 6, 2016 17:30:45 GMT 10
I think this quote from a reservist describes the different culture between Switzerland and USA:
"The gun is not given to me to protect me or my family, I have been given this gun by my country to serve my country - and for me it is an honour to take care of it. I think it is a good thing for the state to give this responsibility to people."
Personally I quite like this attitude. I'm not arguing the point as to whether there shouldn't be other, additional reasons for owning firearms (including hunting, sport and self defence). Although it doesn't seem that self defence on a personal scale is a valid reason for gun ownership in Switzerland.
But what I like is the philosophy of engaging citizens as trusted partners in the countries security.
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Post by tyburn on Oct 8, 2016 18:36:13 GMT 10
I wonder what the reaction would be in Aus if the government asked everyone to have ten days' worth of food on hand?
I know various departments highlight the idea of having bushfire preps in the run up to summer, but I reckon most people in the cities wouldn't pay much attention to that.
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Post by ziggysdad on Oct 8, 2016 19:38:48 GMT 10
I know lots of people that would be completely screwed after day 3 - sooner if the water wasn't working.
They shop for fruit, vegetables, bread and milk every other day, buy two coffees a day at work and eat out for lunch and/or dinners most days.
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Post by Peter on Oct 8, 2016 21:47:04 GMT 10
I know people who boast that they don't have any food at home other than very basic staples - and by that they mean breakfast cereal, jam, coffee, etc. Not even flour or sugar - because they shop on the way home from work each day. They'd be dead within a week if the water stopped flowing and the grid went down...
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