myrrph
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Post by myrrph on Oct 18, 2016 17:06:14 GMT 10
i'm not in Australia but on a little island having a spat with China ATM.
I would see how it plays out honestly. If the fight comes here then I will be called up to defend this tiny piece of rock. I have sufficient preps for the loved ones to survive a few months to a year. The rest really is up to them.
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Post by Joey on Oct 18, 2016 17:36:58 GMT 10
As a manufacturer of military goods, this would ensure I have good money coming in as well as extra fuel rationing as I'm in a direct support roll for the defence force. But on the side, I would be getting my own combat gear made up so I have reserves of gear. Otherwise, with the shipping blockade, they may have to fire up the old steel mills in the country and start using some of the coal that I dig up at work to make armaments and such like the old days, as I bet the Chinese government will still let the coal/iron ore ships through so they can continue to build their own weapons and defences, but the limp wristed Aussie gumbyment will turn around and deny those ships to leave and turn on protectionist mode and use the ore for our own purposes.
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Post by jo on Oct 18, 2016 18:57:51 GMT 10
Ok if petrol prices are insanely inflated my job goes out the window.... so growing food on my 3/4 acre that I can sell is my priority so i can trade with locals for meat and fish... i would stock my gold fish pond (20,000L) very quickly with silver perch and buy some food for them
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Post by perthprepper on Oct 18, 2016 23:15:40 GMT 10
Like many in Perth, it's fairly likely I'd be unemployed if Australia's export routes were blocked badly for an extended period. To bring in some money I could probably freelance to the UK or US (or various other countries) working remotely, but my income would take a big hit. Not owning a house (yet), I don't have a mortgage, and between my wife and I, we could earn enough to get by, perhaps with some discomfort. If it came down to it, we could break lease with one month's notice and move in with relatives - two sets in particular might be glad of a bit of board money and have sufficiently big houses to hold us all comfortably (empty nesters who miss having kids around). That'd save on rent. Alternatively I'm sure we could negotiate a big rent cut and stay put (rents have actually dropped about 25% here in the last three years just from the end of the mining boom - imagine what they'd do if export routes were blocked). I'm comfortable with pack walks (hence grocery shopping without car is covered), running and riding my bike, including with kids trailer (hence the school run is covered), so at least there'd be some cushioning from direct petrol use. With the spare time I'd have from being less employed, I like to think I could get a garden going and do things a fair bit more cost effectively than I do at the moment being strapped for time. My one-month supply of food wouldn't be a huge help. If such an event happened any time after this weekend's SHOT expo, I'd likely be set for ammo All the other unemployed and pissed off people around might make the streets a bit less safe. I doubt it'd fall into civil unrest though. And the streets in my suburb are already a bit unsavoury at night so it'd be nothing new. So yeah it'd be a drop in lifestyle but nothing we couldn't handle
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Post by shinester on Oct 19, 2016 0:43:47 GMT 10
I general, I'm fairly well prepared in terms of food, water and energy and in such a situation, I would hold off as long as I could before going to such stores.
As I live in a growing region, there's a good chance that the prices wouldn't be as elevated for fresh foods grown here, that is without the difficult and costs of supply, particularly if I went directly to the source on a bike or what have you. Yes it would still be in demand but without the transport system and with elevated prices at the stores, the demand may not be as elevated, particularly if something like Strawberries compared to simplier foods like rice. I would also pay extra assuming I could keep an income stream going for as long as possible to keep the reserves intact mostly because this doesn't currently have an end point in sight. I would imagine that people would probably panic buy a bit which would drive up the prices further.
I'm not particularly concerned about ammunition, though I would probably reduce my own usage to a minimum and only for a few rounds of practice, focusing on people in my friends network getting some practice, even if it's 1 or 2 shots a week and tons of dry firing. Obviously if it could be found, I'd take up the opportunity.
In terms of income streams, I have no requirements for transport for work as I'm internet based, though that also requires a working network and assumption that my clients are gainfully employed still, which might all fall apart. Of course we will have new potential markets and locally for people wracked by fear and exacerbation of anxiety issues and possibly effects in supply of anti-despression medicines etc, to which might indeed give me tons of work as a therapist who doesn't need [nor like] the use of drugs such as myself, though that's not guaranteed. Taking a pay cut isn't a big issue for me, I can live pretty cheap. I might have to enact other plans for income of running 'growing' workshops where I teach people how to grow, how to reuses their grey water, how to compost their own waste for fertilizer [takes a year], plant and sell veggies, or perhaps grow my own seedlings and sell them. Much like Cuba's special time, I imagine that people will be growing veggies more than ever to offset their costs. I would imagine markets springing up where people sell their goods and local growers could off load their food at a higher margin [yet cheaper to the consumer] without harsh transport prices.
In terms of storage and gathering resources, that would depend on what's available. LPG would be my first purchase, there's 3 locations with a short distance and I have enough food to last a very long time for myself and I'd still work on more if that was possible, most likely going early for things such as animal feed in wheat/corn because people might not be thinking that way initially, and probably fertilizer, seed etc for growing if available. Another possible angle could be small bags for seedlings and having thought of it now, I might very well see if I can find some cheap proper ones now to put aside. Any dramas on food cost/availability will get people growing food again.
I would absolutely increase security, taking extra measures that might not be particularly aesthetically pleasing. Depending on the situations and the level of crime, I might be tempted to have something for self protection.
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Post by graynomad on Oct 19, 2016 13:18:07 GMT 10
Dead set, I was thinking this very thing last night. I would like to buy a few power tools, band saw, compound mitre saw etc and I was wondering if this sort of conflict breaks out would Bunnings et al continue to stock them because we all know where they are made these days. Or am I using this as a justification to buy some new toys now For that matter what ISN'T made in China these days? Don't plan on buying any equipment post any outbreak of hostilities. Back to the scenario... We don't NEED anything really and could quite happily live on $12k a year, take away fuel make that $10,500, take away vehicle rego, down to $8000, remove phone/internet and we are down to $6500, live off stored food, maybe down to just $1-2000 until it runs out. Not that it would get to that point with an OS war, but there is a lot of fat in our budget and if I can still work (I design electronics and do that from home over the internet) then we are good. I would buy more ammo and more food though before it got to that point. If food got short we are 20k from town, yes I can walk that with a full pack (well it would empty on the way in, full on the way back), but it's touch and go as to whether I'd use more calories doing that than I would bring home. We have pushbikes and motorbikes, if there is any petrol to be had at all I can do a lot on a motorbike. We have a lot of hopping wildlife around here, I've never really hunted much but that would be an option to make the food last longer. There is also a bloke nearby who grows a heck of a lot of stuff, maybe he sells at the markets or whatever I don't know, but I'm sure I could barter something for a few zucchinis. I have met him once, he seemed nice and I plan to foster a relationship there shortly. We are out in the bush, and although there are a few undesirables around I don't think crime would be a big issue, and my "security" is better than theirs I would almost wager. So overall, as long as the conflict stays OS I can't see it having much affect on us, as long as I buy those saws first.
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Post by gasman on Oct 19, 2016 14:13:50 GMT 10
Gray I think you underestimate yourself IMHO the ability to escalate food production( both hunting and farming) is what a lot of us have When working fulltime I find it hard to be self sufficient even though I have a wife interested in farm animals and food production However we have the breeding stock( pigs sheep chickens) and contacts ( surrounding farms) and infrastructure( vegie beds cropping paddocks and water) to ramp up if shtf and I am not working fulltime and extr help arrives Local communities will trade skill sets and we will do things out of necessity we thought we weren't capable of Mate you would probably grow things!!!!!!
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Post by shinester on Oct 19, 2016 14:45:48 GMT 10
Living the free life there Gray.
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Post by myrrph on Oct 19, 2016 15:58:38 GMT 10
Gray: if you can pick up and keep some spare panels in a faraday cage, you're all set
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Post by Peter on Oct 19, 2016 21:13:37 GMT 10
Working in petrochemical-based luxury items, I'd be screwed in terms of regular work.
On the plus side, I don't have a mortgage on my house. And my house could be made quite defensible with a few very minor modifications.
I could grow some more food, and I already have a reasonable amount stored. Fishing is an option, and there are quite a few bunnies around my area (I plan to buy subsonics as well as more other ammo this weekend), although I don't know how long they'd last.
The biggest asset I have? Perhaps that my suburb has many retirees as residents. Providing skills - even menial manual labour for these senior folks - could potentially provide something of an income.
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Post by tyburn on Oct 20, 2016 20:25:55 GMT 10
If fuel is severely rationed, then food would be too; the supermarkets, dairies, farms etc could possibly even be under a form of temporary nationalisation, or at least strict control of deliveries, until things are back to normal. I'd say many retail businesses would be forced to close down (no stock from overseas, no deliveries within Aus), while a fair proportion of the male under-40 population would have been drafted into the services / info essential jobs -- the potential for world war being every high under the scenario given. In this case, a fair proportion of people would either be "otherwise engaged" and depending on the government for sustenance, or at home, trying to grow their own food. This sounds like WW2 in the UK, however, I'm wondering how likely it is that modern Australians would accept the situtaion and pull together for the greater good?
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Post by thereth on Oct 20, 2016 21:07:01 GMT 10
If fuel is severely rationed, then food would be too; the supermarkets, dairies, farms etc could possibly even be under a form of temporary nationalisation, or at least strict control of deliveries, until things are back to normal. I'd say many retail businesses would be forced to close down (no stock from overseas, no deliveries within Aus), while a fair proportion of the male under-40 population would have been drafted into the services / info essential jobs -- the potential for world war being every high under the scenario given. In this case, a fair proportion of people would either be "otherwise engaged" and depending on the government for sustenance, or at home, trying to grow their own food. This sounds like WW2 in the UK, however, I'm wondering how likely it is that modern Australians would accept the situtaion and pull together for the greater good? Not a chance, a good majority will be chomping at the bit because they arent getting foxtel anymore and the rest will decide that their next door neighbour doesnt need his food. We are a nation of pitiful weaklings, aside from the small percebtage witb their heads on right and maybe, MAYBE, some rural communities, i do not see anything good out of expecting the Australian public to pull together. Its one thing to send $10 to some bush fire telethon, it is quite another to actually fight the fire
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Post by ziggysdad on Oct 20, 2016 23:01:01 GMT 10
Ok, so in this scenario I still have clean running water, toilets that flush and electricity? Happy days!!!
I walk 15 minutes to work every day, my wife is a stay at home mom and we donated our car to charity last year, so gas isn't much of an issue for us.
Even if the economy were to really tank in this scenario, I estimate that I would have 6-12 months before I would lose my job during which time we will simplify our lives and significantly reduce our expenses to build up our savings. We could live comfortably on 1/3 of my income, so even if the price of food skyrocketed we should be ok for a while. I suspect that a lot of people would lose their jobs before me and even then I could probably stretch another 6-12 months by offering to take a significant paycut once or even twice.
In the early days of the scenario I would have my wife till, fertilise and plant the entire backyard with potatoes, corn and pumpkins (sod potatoes and corn won't produce huge yields in the first growing season, but it should help to prepare the ground for a more productive crop the following season). We'll continue to grow tomatoes, cucumbers, peas and radishes in the flower beds, herbs in the herb garden and plant additional veggies like lettuce, carrots, etc. where space permits.
At the first sign of trouble I'll try to add another 6-12 months of food to my stockpile. If electricity doesn't seem to be an issue I would look to pick up a used chest freezer and stock it with ground beef, chicken, etc. With 18-24 months of stockpiled food and the income to purchase even a limited quantity of food I'm guessing we'd be ok for several years.
Once the housing market crashes (and it will come tumbling down in this scenario) I will put the screws to my landlord and should be able to reduce my rent significantly while I've got them over a barrel. To further cut costs I would pull my daughter out of kindergarten, cancel FOXTEL, cancel broadband internet (my work provides we with an iPhone with plenty of gigabytes for use as a hotspot/dongle at home), cut out date night, restaurants, my wife's coffees (I've got several years worth downstairs), my Diet Cokes, babysitting, overseas travel and even if food prices skyrocket I'm sure we could feed the three of us and two dogs for well under the $300-400/week we currently spend (not including coffees and dining out).
We would live a fairly austere lifestyle, spend more time outside and read even more books. In reality, we'd probably be ok until we lose water, toilets and electricity, but even then we should be able to make do for 1-2 years without much issue.
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Post by ziggysdad on Oct 20, 2016 23:19:46 GMT 10
Great scenario - really got me thinking.
If the US could maintain electricity, water and indoor plumbing in cities during WWII, based on the parameters of the scenario I feel pretty good about our odds.
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Post by ziggysdad on Oct 26, 2016 23:05:14 GMT 10
Plugging this thread to see what some of the new members might have to say.
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Post by graynomad on Oct 27, 2016 8:17:31 GMT 10
Gray: if you can pick up and keep some spare panels in a faraday cage, you're all set I must admit I have EMP way down on my list of threats. Should I elevate it? Do people think Oz will get EMPd? Or is it more likely to get a couple of nukes on strategic targets?
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Post by graynomad on Oct 27, 2016 8:19:20 GMT 10
Gray I think you underestimate yourself... I hope so. Better than the other way around though eh?
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Post by blueshoes on Oct 30, 2016 15:38:28 GMT 10
Gray: if you can pick up and keep some spare panels in a faraday cage, you're all set I must admit I have EMP way down on my list of threats. Should I elevate it? Do people think Oz will get EMPd? Or is it more likely to get a couple of nukes on strategic targets? I was going to name a particular military base ... hopefully we aren't near one significant enough to be a target... but I have been wondering whether there is more likely to be a massive stuxnet type attack that can't be shot down before arriving.
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Post by Peter on Oct 30, 2016 17:00:19 GMT 10
I'd be concerned about cyber attacks before EMP, unless ISIS or similar gets hold of a nuke. Even still, I think they'd go after somewhere other than Perth first (unless that's the extent of its range).
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Post by Beno on Oct 30, 2016 19:11:20 GMT 10
first reaction would be disappointment. more war mongering and the way i feel at the moment we (US and allies) are not the good guys(in syria at least). i'm in good financial position, three years ahead on repayments and loads of savings although most is in the bank. i need more cash on hand. $5k sounds about right. food ok but water so-so.
i'd like to think i could react with precision and immediately spend up in non perishables and equipment and supplies before it hits home to the masses.
i'd lose my job unless reassigned, but have skills that are in demand or could be used for the greater good. i'd struggle with the stay or go. i could go back to parents place and get into primary production but that is a long way to go. i could make it as i have bulk fuel storage but i'd be leaving most of my stuff and my house unattended. i'd be ok for at least 6-12 months unless inflation goes crazy. i might have the option of working for food and board on one of the many stations around my area.
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