|
Post by familyprepper on Oct 26, 2016 5:17:39 GMT 10
I have been thinking about all the "lone wolf" kind of people and wonder just how long they would survive before burn out occurred After becoming a member of a couple of prepper forums and then a prepper group I came to see that a lone wolf would not have the time nor the energy to sustain long term survival And that's without factoring in a defensive plan for multiple attackers So my argument here your honour is a lone wolf would not be a viable option Excluding a mass pandemic wiping out 99% of population then you could probably just stroll along using all other items left behind Probably a pointless post but hey
|
|
token
VIP Member
Posts: 766
Likes: 575
|
Post by token on Oct 26, 2016 7:25:42 GMT 10
Its by far not a pointless post mate, its one which is needed to discuss and ponder over and over again imo for survival in case something does occur.
I'm not sure i fully agree though on a few basis's. Firstly if your a good bushman, you can live out in the bush quite well and leave little footprint in very full areas. There are places in Vic ive hunted deer that are so thick that you cannot see the sky from under the canopy. I purchased a PLB (Personal Locator Beacon) because i knew that if i got tagged by a snake or injured myself severely, id never be found. This would make for good hiding an living.
Also, a study of some ethnic wars reveals stories of being extremely well hidden. One mother and her 3 children hid in a dug out underneath a house and came out at night for a long time. Other such stories come to mind also.
Remember that fella who got loose i think up qld way for a long time on the run, he even shot a coppa in the head with a .22 i think, or shot at him when they went in after him, and they couldnt get him for ages. They sent special soldiers in after him as well but came up with nothing. The mistake he made was kept coming back to certain empty houses in the bush at night and they rigged the houses with sensors to detect movement and eventually got him that way. Had he have kept on moving to different areas and or stayed deep in the scrub, who knows how long he would have gotten by. After all, he was intentionally being man hunted, most lone wold preppers wont even be known to exist out there.
I am all for groups, id prefer to work with people personally and have a BIL and there is a lot of advantage, especially not being so tense all the time if your a loner. Having your supplies handy, knowing the layout of your area and more.
Good convo, look forward to the thoughts from others.
|
|
remnantprep
Senior Member
People do not exist for the sake of governments!
Posts: 4,399
Likes: 3,968
Email: remnant@ausprep.org
|
Post by remnantprep on Oct 26, 2016 7:30:39 GMT 10
My biggest thought on Lone Wolf is injury or sickness. Even having people nearby that you would trust or trade with would be a better option.
|
|
|
Post by familyprepper on Oct 26, 2016 7:34:02 GMT 10
Agree with what you said My meaning behind it isn't for short term survival More long term talking years if world turned to shit And to survive I mean having some sort of normalacy Being able to have a rest day etc and not having to struggle day in day out etc There have been countless accounts of sole survival for long periods and can happen but for years and years after shtf one sole person highly unlikely IMO You could live by yourself but interactions with others for say barter or sale of goods etc imo not lone wolf stuff
|
|
|
Post by ziggysdad on Oct 26, 2016 8:23:01 GMT 10
Not a pointless post, mate!
As a husband and father we've evolved to be the protectors, so it is easy to think about taking care of everyone else. Having the support of your partner and family is a huge step, but I would be over the moon to develop a couple close friends who have families and are similarly inclined towards prepping. Safety in numbers and the ability to trade skills and work is the ultimate goal.
|
|
token
VIP Member
Posts: 766
Likes: 575
|
Post by token on Oct 26, 2016 12:49:29 GMT 10
My pic personally is a group of like minded folk in the same area with their own setup that can help and assist one another.
|
|
gasman
Senior Member
Posts: 466
Likes: 607
|
Post by gasman on Oct 26, 2016 12:59:04 GMT 10
I often think n rural settings neighbours will band together/ help out each other in times of crisis, because that's what u do anyway While not being preppers many of the locals grow their own food and meat, have firearms and are generally more handy and self sufficient
|
|
ygidorp
Senior Member
Posts: 197
Likes: 282
|
Post by ygidorp on Oct 26, 2016 13:01:26 GMT 10
Realistically for a long term scenario (6 months+ ?), I cannot see anything BUT a group surviving. A single person would have to have the skills of MacGyver, a doctor, farmer, builder, security expert, expert marksman, etc, operate on zero sleep, and somehow maintain a stockpile of everything under the sun for a rainy day. Bottom line, there are too many skills, too many threats and too many demands on a single individual (or even a couple) to realistically survive long term.
I am inclined to believe for extended survival communes would have to form. Yes a select few people could pull off a lone wolf for a number of years, but I think the vast majority of us would be deluding ourselves if we think we're in that category. Especially if you have partners or children.
Of course, in a perfect world you'd have a band of people organised before that SHTF moment. Realistically though, who among us knows a group of people large enough with the same inclinations, the necessary skills and trustworthiness to pull this off?
|
|
|
Post by frontsight on Oct 26, 2016 15:22:43 GMT 10
I guess the reason why not many prepper groups around is because there are too many types around. Any thing from prep for short term urban unrest/black out to resisting enemy invasion to dealing with end time prophecy. Not all of us are compatible with each other.
In TEOTWAWKI events, I guess most of us who survive will eventually band together but immediately after SHTF I rather stay with peoole I know well only, too hard to deal with upset, edgy and angry people. I am sure even prepped, we will still be scared and angry.....
But at least good to know each other so we won't be shooting each other for no reason. I will feel very uneasy if someone comes close to my BOL, but if the person goes "hey frontsight, it is blah blah from ausprep remember me? Just trying get to the stream" I will feel much easier.
|
|
shinester
Senior Member
China's white trash
Posts: 3,119
Likes: 3,578
Email: shiny@ausprep.org
|
Post by shinester on Oct 26, 2016 15:55:04 GMT 10
I think the lone wolf strategy could work, even with a few people, so long as you focused on hiding, the less you hide the more likely you will get caught as we have seen. You would have to be incredibly disciplined or motivated [perhaps fear] and you absolutely kept away from people. If nobody knows you're there, how are they going to find you, particularly if you're in a concealed location. A small bunker would be ideal. Light, smoke, movement, noise disciplines would have to be maintained and there's very little chance people would find you hidden somewhere deep in bush land away from paths. Being conscious of possible air spotting would have to be considered. Having a bug out location prepared in such a place with little way of knowing you're there [perhaps walking in a good distance] and adequate supplies absolutely could keep you going. The example given, such an example. Another one that comes to mind is Hiroo Onoda
It would be difficult to do lone wolf in a suburban location, perhaps you live in the roof with false roof to disguise a room or similar. The chances of being seen far higher being around others, though I suppose it's possible at least until you run out of supplies or trying to dispose of the inevitable rubbish.
This comes to the problem of it, you either have to steal or grow food at some point, exposing you to potentially being seen and caught. Mostly it would be a miserable existence and if things were truly that bad, then it might be the only choice.
|
|
grumble
Senior Member
Posts: 455
Likes: 777
|
Post by grumble on Oct 26, 2016 18:32:52 GMT 10
its horses for courses the lone wolf that is stealthy will always have an advantage in a short term situation but the longer it goes on for the greater the odds against the lone wolfs survival start to mount up and the harder their survival becomes
think about it for a second in a total collapse of civilisation resources are not going to magically respawn in houses and abandoned buildings once its gone its gone so that means in some way you will have to either farm , hunt , harvest , trade or steal the items you need for survival early on the bulk of resources will be looted and pilfered by other survivors then Natural events like fires ,rain seasonal weather event and vermin will slowly degrade or destroy whats left
A lone wolf will be at a disadvantage as time rolls on slowly
|
|
VegHead
VIP Member
Posts: 546
Likes: 913
|
Post by VegHead on Oct 26, 2016 18:37:28 GMT 10
Bring back the villages, before it all goes south; that's inbuilt resilence for when it goes to custard. We thought the lone wolf would always be the way to go, but after many years we are thinking otherwise, especially as we age. Just my two cents worth.
|
|
token
VIP Member
Posts: 766
Likes: 575
|
Post by token on Oct 26, 2016 19:12:53 GMT 10
I think a bit differently on this subject, as i know of folk who do well alone, and just get lost out bush and really dont like interaction with others much. Having been in another country also where people are poor i remember one indian fella telling me they just dig up some casava when they are hungry, which grows all over the place there. They live simple and humble. Under pieces of tin with no electricity or amenities, do a bit of fishing and sit on their thatched mat quiet all day alone.
A lot of the scenarios of lone wolf here seem to imply being hunted down, or that huge amounts of bush will be covered looking for people, and that might be, but what if it isnt that scenario? Living in the bush with a knowledge of the flora and fauna etc you can survive, ive seen it, mongoose, bat and eel hunting, this plant for medicines and this plant for foods, picking up mangos in season from trees along the river, digging up edible roots, banana's, and fishing for small fish in the rivers under rocks, ive had the pleasure of being taken and seen how a people live. Lone wolf is not a threatening strategy to me, and if the right scenario occurs where they arent being actively hunted and or found where lots of people arent, then it would fit.
For myself, with the family i am more of a protector, i dont have a choice and i wouldnt want it any other way. I would prefer to be of help to others, as sometimes i find myself worrying about how others are as i currently look over a number of people to ensure they are doing ok. Still, so much more to do from my side to have my BOL setup ready for 'some' scenarios. I dont think anyone can prepare for everything, there's a flaw somewhere thats for sure.
|
|
grumble
Senior Member
Posts: 455
Likes: 777
|
Post by grumble on Oct 26, 2016 19:27:43 GMT 10
I think a bit differently on this subject, as i know of folk who do well alone, and just get lost out bush and really dont like interaction with others much. Having been in another country also where people are poor i remember one indian fella telling me they just dig up some casava when they are hungry, which grows all over the place there. They live simple and humble. Under pieces of tin with no electricity or amenities, do a bit of fishing and sit on their thatched mat quiet all day alone. A lot of the scenarios of lone wolf here seem to imply being hunted down, or that huge amounts of bush will be covered looking for people, and that might be, but what if it isnt that scenario? Living in the bush with a knowledge of the flora and fauna etc you can survive, ive seen it, mongoose, bat and eel hunting, this plant for medicines and this plant for foods, picking up mangos in season from trees along the river, digging up edible roots, banana's, and fishing for small fish in the rivers under rocks, ive had the pleasure of being taken and seen how a people live. Lone wolf is not a threatening strategy to me, and if the right scenario occurs where they arent being actively hunted and or found where lots of people arent, then it would fit. For myself, with the family i am more of a protector, i dont have a choice and i wouldnt want it any other way. I would prefer to be of help to others, as sometimes i find myself worrying about how others are as i currently look over a number of people to ensure they are doing ok. Still, so much more to do from my side to have my BOL setup ready for 'some' scenarios. I dont think anyone can prepare for everything, there's a flaw somewhere thats for sure. The problem is though Token and as you well know like I do in ideal situations things are good but even if no one is actively hunting you down and resource's are rich the chance of survival of a lone wolf are still less over long term
Most animals know this as well which is why they seek out packs to be members of even lone wolves
It only takes a simple slip when you are searching for food and with no one to back you up things go from good to desperate or fatal very quickly this is the price of being a lone wolf
|
|
gasman
Senior Member
Posts: 466
Likes: 607
|
Post by gasman on Oct 26, 2016 19:46:54 GMT 10
I have met some great people on this and other forums sooo on the same page as myself While we have a great group that meets regularly down here in VIC, I am of the opinion that post shtf groups will form from everywhere People you think will be part of your group may not survive or get to you, and others will appear you don't expect IMHO I a just try to keep flexible and whoever enters the post shtf has to contribute Obviously family and people I have met previously if they have good skills/ personality and a Prepper mentality will be preferred There is a saying that all military planning goes to pot when the first shot is fired Preparation is vital but flexibility is also important
|
|
token
VIP Member
Posts: 766
Likes: 575
|
Post by token on Oct 26, 2016 19:59:02 GMT 10
I think a bit differently on this subject, as i know of folk who do well alone, and just get lost out bush and really dont like interaction with others much. Having been in another country also where people are poor i remember one indian fella telling me they just dig up some casava when they are hungry, which grows all over the place there. They live simple and humble. Under pieces of tin with no electricity or amenities, do a bit of fishing and sit on their thatched mat quiet all day alone. A lot of the scenarios of lone wolf here seem to imply being hunted down, or that huge amounts of bush will be covered looking for people, and that might be, but what if it isnt that scenario? Living in the bush with a knowledge of the flora and fauna etc you can survive, ive seen it, mongoose, bat and eel hunting, this plant for medicines and this plant for foods, picking up mangos in season from trees along the river, digging up edible roots, banana's, and fishing for small fish in the rivers under rocks, ive had the pleasure of being taken and seen how a people live. Lone wolf is not a threatening strategy to me, and if the right scenario occurs where they arent being actively hunted and or found where lots of people arent, then it would fit. For myself, with the family i am more of a protector, i dont have a choice and i wouldnt want it any other way. I would prefer to be of help to others, as sometimes i find myself worrying about how others are as i currently look over a number of people to ensure they are doing ok. Still, so much more to do from my side to have my BOL setup ready for 'some' scenarios. I dont think anyone can prepare for everything, there's a flaw somewhere thats for sure. The problem is though Token and as you well know like I do in ideal situations things are good but even if no one is actively hunting you down and resource's are rich the chance of survival of a lone wolf are still less over long term
Most animals know this as well which is why they seek out packs to be members of even lone wolves
It only takes a simple slip when you are searching for food and with no one to back you up things go from good to desperate or fatal very quickly this is the price of being a lone wolf
Yes mate, sickness, injury and accident is an issue indeed, and hence why i am a proponent of the group system, if even at a distance from each other rather than a communal type of living arrangement, even though i also think this can be done with the right people, structure and agreements.
|
|
|
Post by jimjones on Oct 26, 2016 20:05:09 GMT 10
The problem is though Token and as you well know like I do in ideal situations things are good but even if no one is actively hunting you down and resource's are rich the chance of survival of a lone wolf are still less over long term
Most animals know this as well which is why they seek out packs to be members of even lone wolves
It only takes a simple slip when you are searching for food and with no one to back you up things go from good to desperate or fatal very quickly this is the price of being a lone wolf
Yes mate, sickness, injury and accident is an issue indeed, and hence why i am a proponent of the group system, if even at a distance from each other rather than a communal type of living arrangement, even though i also think this can be done with the right people, structure and agreements.
|
|
|
Post by jimjones on Oct 26, 2016 20:12:53 GMT 10
damn typed a reply but went nowhere. i am an ex military contractor that has 20 years plus experience, i have been to afghanistan and iraq more than safeway lol and found working in a small group is best less no more than 10 is best, any more and it only takes for 1 slacker for things to go wrong fast. i have also spent months on end on patrol with only 2 others and i still think smaller the better, most that want to be part of a group must want the security of some sorts, but any one that has had training will and can survive alone for a long time just living of the land. sure get sick or break a leg or 2 and you're stuffed, but as much as having more numbers can they help you with a life threatening ailment post shit hit the fan?
Jim
|
|
|
Post by frontsight on Oct 26, 2016 20:24:46 GMT 10
Think you have nailed it..... None of us have PhD's in post SHTF survival and human interaction.... by the way even post doc researcher don't seem to agree with one another very often
|
|
|
Post by SA Hunter on Oct 26, 2016 20:31:40 GMT 10
No expert here, but, going through the comments, there is no right or wrong answer. I think it comes down to what works best for you. Do I trust all my family in a SHTF scenario - No. Would i trust a stranger - No. Will I need help - Yes. Who do i trust? Don't know!
|
|