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Post by SA Hunter on Oct 27, 2016 22:07:50 GMT 10
Anyone heard of this before? ? Looks quite good!!
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Post by token on Oct 27, 2016 22:13:05 GMT 10
I havent seen that exact one, but ive seen others, inside home units and water bottles. The tech really is getting better these days and water is the very beginning of prepping imo.
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Post by paranoia on Oct 27, 2016 22:35:06 GMT 10
Have not seen either of those before but its definitely a concept many are working on at the moment. I've seen a lot of directional wind turbines using the low pressure zone created behind the motor housing to drop water into a collector for use. There is a lot of interesting tech being created at the moment for sure. Thanks for posting.
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Post by Peter on Oct 27, 2016 23:08:52 GMT 10
...water is the very beginning of prepping imo. Damn straight it is.
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Post by shinester on Oct 28, 2016 10:09:38 GMT 10
I havent seen that exact one, but ive seen others, inside home units and water bottles. The tech really is getting better these days and water is the very beginning of prepping imo. The idea is condensing the water that's present in the air, the higher the humidity and the greater the temperature differences the more water you will get. It's nothing new, your car windscreen fogs up because of the temperature change of the glass compared and the relatively high humidity inside the car due to the people. When you heat up the windscreen with the heater, the differences in temperature don't favor the condensation. Consumers have been able to collect water from the air for a long time in the form of a dehumidifier. The reality, they use a lot of power as you're basically running a small fridge/air conditioner, which consequently is why air conditioners drip water. In terms of the specific examples given above, they're scams. Here's a break down of it by a scientist if you care to inform yourself. For the 'water seer', also busted here. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So, the idea 'can' work however.... 400W of power... so you could run it during the day and I'd make my own if I were going to do this. In terms of clear coat on the coil, it probably insulates the coin a little making it less efficient and I'd doubt you'd actually have issues on near freezing copper coils. He talks of oxygenating the water [more electricity] to stop algae, kind proof he doesn't know what he's talking about because you need 'sunlight' for it to grow and if it were a problem a UV light would work better, though I digress. It makes 20-40 liters a day, assuming you have a grid [not exactly prepping] so if you're running on solar with that kind of set up you'll make about 5-10 liters during the day assuming a run time of 6hrs and about 800W of panel. That's a lot of power that might be put to better use. About $1500 or so on the cheap diy. At this point, to my mind rain catchment looks more economical. Even a cheap 3mx3m tarp in the backyard going to a drum/bucket will get an average of 12 liters a day in the driest month [Dec] in my area. Cost, probably about $60 all up. Sticking a food grade drum or even a properly washed out bin [napisan/bleach/pool chlorine] if you're desperate under a cut/redirected spout would yield you even more drinking water, most likely enough to handle drinking water issues indefinitely. If you do all the spouts even on a small house and you might have enough to water some veggies. You could spend another $200 or so and have a pressured water pump hooking it up to your taps [replace a normal tap with a gate value thanks Gray] and carry on much like normal. So, the first 2 are fraudulent, though the idea is possible, it's rather energy hungry and I question if it's worth doing when there's a cheaper and better solution?
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Post by rebelroo on Oct 28, 2016 10:25:30 GMT 10
Are these available anywhere - amazing concept
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Post by graynomad on Oct 28, 2016 12:56:55 GMT 10
People and insects have been collecting water from "thin air" for a gazillion years, just hang up some shade cloth (if you are a person) or poke your back legs up in the air (if you are an insect in the Namib desert).
But no matter how you do it you need for there to be at least some moisture in air to get, which is the case in many places but not all, at least AFAIK not enough to harvest with current simple technology.
I guess with the right tech and enough power you could, but I'm sure it's not something we need to get involved with.
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Post by SA Hunter on Oct 28, 2016 18:46:36 GMT 10
People and insects have been collecting water from "thin air" for a gazillion years, just hang up some shade cloth (if you are a person) or poke your back legs up in the air (if you are an insect in the Namib desert). But no matter how you do it you need for there to be at least some moisture in air to get, which is the case in many places but not all, at least AFAIK not enough to harvest with current simple technology. I guess with the right tech and enough power you could, but I'm sure it's not something we need to get involved with. Yeah GN, I have heard of the shade cloth way before. It looked interesting!! Regardless, water is the No 1 item we need, and any way we can get it, that's the way to go!!!
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Post by shinester on Oct 28, 2016 22:52:41 GMT 10
Further.
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Post by token on Oct 29, 2016 7:29:33 GMT 10
Thanks Shiny, good criticism of it there, i had not scrutinized the idea as i wasnt in the market for such because of dry heat out our way and larger quantity ways to get water. It will be interesting to see what if anything comes from these. Ive also seen home units somewhere, but not sure now if they were in the making or out there.
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Post by shinester on Oct 29, 2016 8:19:48 GMT 10
Yeah, I mentioned it in the thread about generosity, though what we have here is someone preying on the generosity of people to obtain cash [they haven't made anything so it's likely], or someone wanting to be generous [providing water] and not listening to the counter inquiry that's sound, aka cognitive bias, perhaps thinking of the videos as 'hate videos' rather than delving into the claims themselves and seeing if they're possible. Aka having reasonable assertions. The author himself is a bit of a braggart, though his science looked very solid and from multiple fronts, so it doesn't matter to me.
He also made a very astute observation in another similar video on the water lily [not covered here] that water supply is not particularly at issue, it's the water quality and fresh water that is, so the same cost and energy put into getting 1 liter of water yields you about 1000 Liters with reverse osmosis and it might be boring but it will keep a lot more people alive. To my mind a pretty valid point. This of course opens up ideas that 'do' work, rain collection, filtering, reverse osmosis, water treatment.
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Post by shinester on Oct 30, 2016 14:28:59 GMT 10
.. and more.
Basically he says if you stuck a bucket out in the rain [not even using roofs] you'd end up with 10 times as much water as you would the proof of concept example that has figures. Hilarious.
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Post by blueshoes on Oct 30, 2016 15:55:21 GMT 10
Sounds like something out of Dune.
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Post by Peter on Oct 30, 2016 17:01:24 GMT 10
If only we could get the condensers used at the Skywalkers' moisture farm in Star Wars... with the added bonus of growing mushrooms...
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Post by shinester on Oct 30, 2016 20:41:27 GMT 10
Sounds like something out of Dune. Watched that last week again.. love the film
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Post by token on Oct 31, 2016 23:34:13 GMT 10
If only we could get the condensers used at the Skywalkers' moisture farm in Star Wars... with the added bonus of growing mushrooms... Mushrooms are from the devil Pete, yuk!
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Post by Peter on Oct 31, 2016 23:54:56 GMT 10
If only we could get the condensers used at the Skywalkers' moisture farm in Star Wars... with the added bonus of growing mushrooms... Mushrooms are from the devil Pete, yuk! If cooked properly they're magnificent. Apart from that, they do contain nutritional value which isn't to be shirked if we find ourselves under a huge pile of.... the stuff mushrooms grow in.
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Post by token on Nov 1, 2016 6:30:23 GMT 10
Mushrooms are from the devil Pete, yuk! If cooked properly they're magnificent. Apart from that, they do contain nutritional value which isn't to be shirked if we find ourselves under a huge pile of.... the stuff mushrooms grow in. You'd get alone well with my wife and daughter, but yuk! ill be killing something to eat whilst you lot pick and cook ur shrooms lol
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