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Post by blueshoes on Nov 7, 2016 21:14:12 GMT 10
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Post by paranoia on Nov 7, 2016 21:21:11 GMT 10
When defending your life, you will always have two battles to fight. The assailant and the oppressor.
"My advice to people would be to comply with [the intruder], not to confront them, certainly not to engage them in a physical altercation, let them go and let us investigate," he said. |
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Post by paranoia on Nov 7, 2016 21:32:43 GMT 10
"Police seized the bow and arrow as part of their investigation". I thought the arrow was in some blokes ass? It's a bit like when there's a shooting and the police find "bullets" on the floor at the crime scene. The media are clueless.
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Post by Peter on Nov 7, 2016 22:41:37 GMT 10
"Police seized the bow and arrow as part of their investigation". I thought the arrow was in some blokes ass? It's a bit like when there's a shooting and the police find "bullets" on the floor at the crime scene. The media are clueless. Whenever I hear someone tell me that guns should be completely illegal, I show them a picture of a whole cartridge and ask them to point to the bullet. Every one of them points to the brass. It's even funnier when I show them a picture of a 12g shot cartridge (and ask them to point to the bullet). They still point to the brass. The blind media are leading the blind public. |
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Post by paranoia on Nov 7, 2016 22:48:09 GMT 10
"Police seized the bow and arrow as part of their investigation". I thought the arrow was in some blokes ass? It's a bit like when there's a shooting and the police find "bullets" on the floor at the crime scene. The media are clueless. Whenever I hear someone tell me that guns should be completely illegal, I show them a picture of a whole cartridge and ask them to point to the bullet. Every one of them points to the brass. It's even funnier when I show them a picture of a 12g shot cartridge (and ask them to point to the bullet). They still point to the brass. The blind media are leading the blind public. People will always fear what they don't understand. My 5 year old has a very good concept of bullet, case, projectile & primer. She does a lot of reloading with me; decapping, trimming and sorting brass mostly.
My mother in law (anti-gun) had a bit of a moment when she found a 223 cartridge in my daughters room. My daughter laughed at her and said; "Silly grandma, its a dummy round... it has no primer or powder"... I was sooooo proud 
Educate children, friends, family, neighbours... anyone you can. Offer to take people shooting. We do need to combat this or the 'guns should be completely illegal' opinion will rise more than it already has.
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Post by shinester on Nov 8, 2016 2:03:48 GMT 10
"Oh hi guys, I'm going to be emptying your house and whatever else I like tonight. Yes yes, I know I'm a thief and I'm not supposed to be here, but hey, the advice of the police is that you are not to confront me and to comply with me and oh by the way your wife sure looks pretty... "
Whilst there's some benefit to not engaging in physical altercations, I'm sure as HELL not going to comply with a criminal, that's insanity.
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Post by token on Nov 8, 2016 7:29:16 GMT 10
"Oh hi guys, I'm going to be emptying your house and whatever else I like tonight. Yes yes, I know I'm a thief and I'm not supposed to be here, but hey, the advice of the police is that you are not to confront me and to comply with me and oh by the way your wife sure looks pretty... " Whilst there's some benefit to not engaging in physical altercations, I'm sure as HELL not going to comply with a criminal, that's insanity. LAW BREAKER!!! |
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Post by frontsight on Nov 8, 2016 9:47:39 GMT 10
The problem in this case is not really defending oneself. In the eyes of the law, self defense is to protect yourself or other innocent third parties from serious harm and only if no reasonable alternative (if you can reasonably be excepted to run away, you can't run at your attacker with a bastard sword on the wall, but if you are back to a corner, then by all means). Properties are not part of it.... its not just Aus most western countries don't allow (potentialy) deadly force to effect an arrest. Its not perfect, but we have another side of the coin where people are permitted to use deadly force on fleeing suspects on, now kids running away from a shop with a stolen candy bar may be shot at, its just as uncool. A better solution is to introduce castle law, where once the parameters (clearly demarcated and remains closed) of your property is physically breached, they can be dealt with with deadly force.
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Post by paranoia on Nov 8, 2016 9:59:43 GMT 10
You'll never hear it from the police but this is one area where South Australia is a great place to live. Back in 2003 the state labor government introduced a self defense act where a householder could use "whatever force they deem necessary" when confronted with a home invader. If you genuinely believe yourself or your family to be at risk you will avoid processcution. Criminal Law Consolidation (Self defense) amendment act 2003... Its not talked about much  |
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Post by ziggysdad on Nov 8, 2016 11:10:05 GMT 10
I'm all for Castle Law. The fact that the intruder turns away from me and starts to run when I emerge from my front door and find him trying to break in shouldn't prohibit me from catching him and tossing him over the railing and off the deck. The fact that he is fleeing shouldn't matter, especially when the local police can't even be bothered to investigate most thefts.
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Post by paranoia on Nov 8, 2016 11:17:36 GMT 10
I'm all for Castle Law. The fact that the intruder turns away from me and starts to run when I emerge from my front door and find him trying to break in shouldn't prohibit me from catching him and tossing him over the railing and off the deck. The fact that he is fleeing shouldn't matter, especially when the local police claim can't even be bothered to investigate most thefts. Another beautiful aspect of the south australian 'home invasion' exception to reasonable proportionality. "What is required is that the defendant genuinely believed that the victim was comitting or had just committed a home invasion" |
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Post by Beno on Nov 8, 2016 16:26:52 GMT 10
I'm all for Castle Law. The fact that the intruder turns away from me and starts to run when I emerge from my front door and find him trying to break in shouldn't prohibit me from catching him and tossing him over the railing and off the deck. The fact that he is fleeing shouldn't matter, especially when the local police claim can't even be bothered to investigate most thefts. Another beautiful aspect of the south australian 'home invasion' exception to reasonable proportionality. "What is required is that the defendant genuinely believed that the victim was comitting or had just committed a home invasion"wow i'm so close but so far.....just 50km from that reasonable law. its like good men and women have their hands tied behind their backs in their own homes. the perp enters your house with full intend to harm you ( if they are armed) and has the advantage of surprise and preparation for an altercation. but we as law abiding citizens have all our firearms locked away and no justification to store a baseball bat near the door. i'll continue to vote accordinly to end nanny state laws it cant go on. ill stop being as concerned when i see more proactive policing. i can see SJWs bleating about that too. |
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Post by token on Nov 8, 2016 17:21:45 GMT 10
You'll never hear it from the police but this is one area where South Australia is a great place to live. Back in 2003 the state labor government introduced a self defense act where a householder could use "whatever force they deem necessary" when confronted with a home invader. If you genuinely believe yourself or your family to be at risk you will avoid processcution. Criminal Law Consolidation (Self defense) amendment act 2003... Its not talked about much Awesome! Sadly though, i wonder how much it would cost me to prove that was the case in an expensive and biased judicial system? |
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Post by token on Nov 8, 2016 17:23:57 GMT 10
I'm all for Castle Law. The fact that the intruder turns away from me and starts to run when I emerge from my front door and find him trying to break in shouldn't prohibit me from catching him and tossing him over the railing and off the deck. The fact that he is fleeing shouldn't matter, especially when the local police claim can't even be bothered to investigate most thefts. Another beautiful aspect of the south australian 'home invasion' exception to reasonable proportionality. "What is required is that the defendant genuinely believed that the victim was comitting or had just committed a home invasion"Poor Santa! |
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Post by tyburn on Nov 14, 2016 19:54:12 GMT 10
Wow i'm so close but so far.....just 50km from that reasonable law. its like good men and women have their hands tied behind their backs in their own homes. the perp enters your house with full intend to harm you ( if they are armed) and has the advantage of surprise and preparation for an altercation. but we as law abiding citizens have all our firearms locked away and no justification to store a baseball bat near the door. i'll continue to vote accordinly to end nanny state laws it cant go on. ill stop being as concerned when i see more proactive policing. i can see SJWs bleating about that too. I'm wondering if being able to show a baseball mitt and ball would provide justification for having a bat at the door? (As in, oh mr plod, that was left there after I brought little Johnny home from teeball practice) Funnily enough, living in a country few people play any team sports that involve bats of any kind, baseball bats are bestsellers online. Not only are they bestsellers, but also shorter and heavier than the standard bat, although coincidentally just the right length for swinging in a hallway as someone unexpectedly invites themselves through the front door. This has been brought up in the news a couple of times over the years, with the consequence being that sellers started then giving a poor quality baseball away with any bat purchases, so that at least the illusion of being a real sporting item could be maintained. |
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Post by Peter on Nov 16, 2016 19:57:07 GMT 10
You'll never hear it from the police but this is one area where South Australia is a great place to live. Back in 2003 the state labor government introduced a self defense act where a householder could use "whatever force they deem necessary" when confronted with a home invader. If you genuinely believe yourself or your family to be at risk you will avoid processcution. Criminal Law Consolidation (Self defense) amendment act 2003... Its not talked about much Awesome! Sadly though, i wonder how much it would cost me to prove that was the case in an expensive and biased judicial system? More than it would cost to hire an excavator for an hour or two... |
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Post by token on Nov 16, 2016 20:20:21 GMT 10
Awesome! Sadly though, i wonder how much it would cost me to prove that was the case in an expensive and biased judicial system? More than it would cost to hire an excavator for an hour or two... hahahahaha! |
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