paranoia
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Post by paranoia on Nov 15, 2016 12:50:17 GMT 10
Just read this on the ATO using facebook data to check up on peoples tax returns. I'm all for catching tax cheats but does this lead us down the slippery slope of orwellian style lifestyle tracking? Just remember, a 'private' profile doesnt stop a warrant or request from a government agency. Be very careful about posting anything on facebook... ATO facebook raid
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Post by shinester on Nov 15, 2016 20:19:26 GMT 10
I would strongly suspect that they got dobbed in or were randomly targeted for such investigations. FB use your data constantly with what you type and I strongly suspect what you message other people with. As far as I'm aware, the ATO look like they were using publicly available data, to which I have no unless you're friended with me already. I'm also honest though I have no love of having guns stuck in my face to pay for the next round of 'freebies' to win elections.
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paranoia
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Post by paranoia on Nov 15, 2016 20:41:53 GMT 10
I total agree that in this very specific case it was public data. What concerns me though is that ATO has been investing in its data mining and analysis capabilities.
They've also been putting requests into some businesses and schools as to the account details that services and school fees are paid from.
Facebook will give up your data at the drop of a hat;
V. How do we respond to legal requests or prevent harm?
We may access, preserve and share your information in response to a legal request (like a search warrant, court order or subpoena) if we have a good faith belief that the law requires us to do so. This may include responding to legal requests from jurisdictions outside of the United States where we have a good faith belief that the response is required by law in that jurisdiction, affects users in that jurisdiction, and is consistent with internationally recognized standards. We may also access, preserve and share information when we have a good faith belief it is necessary to: detect, prevent and address fraud and other illegal activity; to protect ourselves, you and others, including as part of investigations; or to prevent death or imminent bodily harm. For example, we may provide information to third-party partners about the reliability of your account to prevent fraud and abuse on and off of our Services. Information we receive about you, including financial transaction data related to purchases made with Facebook, may be accessed, processed and retained for an extended period of time when it is the subject of a legal request or obligation, governmental investigation, or investigations concerning possible violations of our terms or policies, or otherwise to prevent harm. We also may retain information from accounts disabled for violations of our terms for at least a year to prevent repeat abuse or other violations of our terms.
Maybe I'm being overly sensitive to this... but it doesn't seem too far of a stretch for them to acquire the facebook data under the idea of fraud prevention and use it, like the big marketing firms do, to build profiles of people.
I'm certainly not pro tax or big government. We need to fight this through a war of ideas not people playing accounting tricks. This simply gives the government an excuse to grow bigger and have more power.
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Post by token on Nov 15, 2016 22:01:45 GMT 10
What of folk who have saved for years and years? Now they are classed as 'criminals'?!? What of folk who might have invested in pm's and done well over the years, or received them as gifts? What if someone in the family paid for them to have the trip? There are too many variables to these things imo.
Did you know though that Youtube, Twitter and Facebook have just signed a merger deal? Yer they are going to call it Youtwitface! lol. My point is, its wise to not go too hard on putting stuff online.
I know a fella that mentioned he knew a guy who did cash jobs on the side and did a lot of work on his house and was audited by the ato. They demanded he account for where and how he got all the materials etc. Gov surveillance has gone wrong imo, its an invasion on privacy too. Be careful.
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Post by Peter on Nov 15, 2016 22:07:03 GMT 10
Yet another reason I'm glad to have a fake FB name...
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Post by token on Nov 15, 2016 22:09:45 GMT 10
Yet another reason I'm glad to have a fake FB name... I dont have one, but my face is in a better book anyways lol. Common comment i hear from folk online these days seems to be 'who uses facebook these days anyway', so i wonder if other social media platforms are slowing down faceplant?
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Post by Peter on Nov 15, 2016 22:39:41 GMT 10
I use bookface as a news source - I follow a number of news outlets, information sites, plus the odd site on particular interests I have. I neither make nor accept friend requests. I have no fear of offending some little snowflake on the site (mind you, I don't care about offending people to their faces either).
In other words, I make bookface work for me. Life's too short for insignificant arguments with people I haven't seen in 30 years who I didn't like back in primary school either.
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Post by token on Nov 15, 2016 22:43:17 GMT 10
Life's too short for insignificant arguments with people I haven't seen in 30 years who I didn't like back in primary school either. Too true! Knowing the nature of many folks anyways, theyd probably hate your guts and criticize and gossip about ya after being nice to your face anyways, and life is too short to be doing any of that anyways.
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Post by tyburn on Nov 16, 2016 17:33:36 GMT 10
Was just going to say I don't use social media, but remembered I do use the most popular one in China (where Facebook, Whatsapp, Line, Twitter etc are all banned and unusable without a VPN). I do have a facebook account, but have never used it and can't remember any of the details. Only set that up in order to best stay in contact with family after a series of natural disasters they had though. The Chinese one is great for staying in contact with friends and family, however the government made it mandatory to have real-name contact details a few months back. I have resisted so far by not linking my bank account to it (as most people do, as it also offers a popular payment app), however know that once the regulators realise they don't have everyone's real identity, then they will demand something else in order to get it.
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