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Post by VegHead on Nov 23, 2016 17:54:01 GMT 10
I think Graynomad has already posted somewhere here about that recently mate.
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Post by VegHead on Nov 23, 2016 18:03:47 GMT 10
Been looking for the post for you but can't find it at the moment.
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Post by starmade on Nov 23, 2016 19:28:47 GMT 10
Frostbite have a look in the Reality Check post by Graynomad we posted some comments & videos Mr starmade & me looked at all the reviews decided to buy the Diamant just finalising the Amazon deal. The Grain maker is great as well - made the final decision on best price we could buy either. I've used hand mills and would not entertain one that we could not connect to a bike or a motor. A large heavy fly wheel was a priority for us. We also felt that a mill like this had a potential to become a producer of trade able goods or service. Curious to hear your take on it
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Post by spatial on Nov 23, 2016 20:18:50 GMT 10
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Post by graynomad on Nov 24, 2016 8:31:02 GMT 10
It's good to have a workout so I'm happy with the Wondermill.
I have been researching mechanising it and I may well do one day but that could easily cost another $300 if you buy new parts. I may just get the drill attachment for now and see how that goes. A pulley and motor would be better because it's hands free and I find that on the second pass you have to constantly poke the flour down into the auger, hard to do when your hands are required for something else.
As for the time, I don't know but it seems to take forever. I should be doing another batch soon, I'll try to record how long it takes.
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Post by graynomad on Nov 24, 2016 8:37:12 GMT 10
BTW, $39 + $10p&p is a rip off for a simple adapter IMO. Unfortunately the mill's shaft is larger than 12mm so you can't use a drill directly unless you have one with a larger-than-normal chuck size.
I have heard of people putting the drill directly on the bolt that holds the handle on, but they snapped off the bolt head leaving the thread inside the shaft, not good.
I think I should look into making something, it must be possible for bugger all $.
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Post by VegHead on Nov 24, 2016 9:10:08 GMT 10
We have a Hawos Billy 100 which is a 250W 240V model. SHTF scenario .... 12V and Inverter. Problem solved (that's for us anyway)
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Post by VegHead on Nov 24, 2016 11:18:04 GMT 10
One pass only, takes about two minutes for a cup of wheat to be milled at the Finest setting.
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Post by shinester on Nov 24, 2016 15:18:31 GMT 10
I like the sums too much... ----------------------------- 1 cup of flour = 2min= 120g = 1760Kj 1 loaf of bread = 700g = 10260Kj = 11.56 mins = 48Wh of energy [250W motor]
So assuming the sums are correct you need about 30W of solar panel [and a battery/inverter etc] per loaf.
[edited due to change in figures]
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Post by graynomad on Nov 26, 2016 17:32:28 GMT 10
I timed myself today, 30 minutes for 500 grams, two passes. Maybe I should just to one pass but that would still be 10-15 minutes.
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Post by shinester on Nov 27, 2016 7:47:54 GMT 10
Useful info, thanks for the update gray. I'm curious if people have had experience with the cheapo mills for $24 on ebay. I get that they're not going to be good for a lifetime, and like good tools, it's worth spending money on something decent, though my thinking is that if they made it through 40kg of wheat, they'd be good for another cheap-as food kit I'm working on. Thoughts? Edit, seems like it's not really making flour, though it does make course grains fine for making cereal/meal. Seems that a coffee grinder might do the trick. Actually it IS possible. Though it's much slower. Obviously there's a reason for the better mills. It's also suggested that you run rice through it first to clean out burs and so on or use a magnet to pick out the loose metal that comes out at first. Quality it is not Note the larger hopper size. Other options I found are - Mortar and pestle - slow but very fine flour - coffee grinder, both hand and electrically operated. - Food processor Here's the food processor in action,
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Post by graynomad on Dec 6, 2016 23:43:34 GMT 10
We tried a blender but it was crap, it's only a cheap one though, that one in the vid seems to work fine.
I've no experience with the cheaper mills.
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Post by shinester on Dec 7, 2016 0:17:31 GMT 10
I would guess the cheap ones are very crap in comparison in reality, have to turn it 4-6 more times to get the same result. Better than nothing and my interest was for a food-kit though not optimum. My research lead me to abandoning storing corn or wheat in this form on the cost/benefit. If you were using it daily/weekly or stored a ton of corn/wheat in a silo, then a good one would be a sound investment and no doubt cheaper.
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Post by tomatoes on Dec 7, 2016 7:01:41 GMT 10
The blender picture looks like a vitamix, so that's not just "any" blender. A vitamix can blend a wooden spatula that you've accidentally left in it so that if you were to drink the smoothie you were making you wouldn't even know it was there. A cheap blender will not give as good a result.
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Post by tomatoes on Dec 7, 2016 9:26:02 GMT 10
It's interesting to look at the descriptions for the hand mills on www.skippygrainmills.com.au/hand.htm as each mill lists the expected output. Eg A handmill for flour that is about $240 will give about 30-50g flour per minute (depending on the model). So as I use about 600 g flour per loaf that is 20 min of turning! I think I'll stick with my plan of getting a solar generator for my electric mill.
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Post by graynomad on Dec 9, 2016 7:55:14 GMT 10
... So as I use about 600 g flour per loaf that is 20 min of turning! I think I'll stick with my plan of getting a solar generator for my electric mill. Better than I do, but maybe they are fitter Personally I actively resist mechanising things, yes I could buy a tractor to pull lantana, but then I'd be less fit, $20k poorer and spend half my time fixing the thing. I do it with a mattock, a crowbar and my back, yes it takes 10x longer and I'm scarred from head to foot, but I get a workout in the process. Same with the milling, a half-hour, low-impact, upper-body workout is good. That said I will add a motor one day, mostly so 'er indoors will do the job, but it's not a priority and of course with the Wondermill (and others) you have a backup, you can always reverse the process and go back to a handle if things fail.
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