The stages

I'm confused as to this post, are you asking for people to reveal their bug out plans/locations with you?

Also slightly confused but I'll address a few points real quick before bed.


If you're a good enough friend that you'd be trusted to stay with me in times of WROL, I know who your children are. I've met them many times, I know their names, where they go to school, what they like to eat...

There is no amount of coded communication, general maps, usernames, secret passwords or handshakes that would get me to trust someone I didn't personally know.



We're in a WROL situation, things are so bad that there are groups of looters wandering around looking for places to break into and your house appears empty. They're going to break in. The idea that you're going to be safe by closing your curtains and keeping quiet whilst people are killing each other in the streets... I don't buy it.



If you're not growing a veggie garden now while times are good and its comparatively easy to do so. Do not include 'I'll just grow food' in any part of your SHTF/TEOTWAWKI plans.

"I want to address the stages AFTER SHTF. When TEOTWAWKI has finally come and gone, what next? I personally plan to make like minded friendships before the fact, not to join them or their homestead, but to have and offer, in area/ on location help if need be. Picture this scenario and tell me your thoughts."

"Personally I'd like to know that (as long as I/we can survive the treck and all that we encounter along they way),me and my family have a safe haven until we can rebuild, a welcome stop in we can actively contribute to, and help reenforce with our numbers so that the real CRAZYS DONT WIN our world again by shear brut force, but that we, the people who believe in a level of freedom, do."

Ok, from my reading of this, the emphasis is on having been pushed out of your BOL or BIL by unified nasties just like 'Neagan' on The Walking Dead?

As a result of this possibility you want to explore the ins and outs of the thinking behind 'making relationships' with other preparedness minded people and their BOL/BIL so that you and or them, (whoever might be pushed out of their location) can make their way to yours, or yours to theirs for help?

If i have you right on that, I think this is a good prep tbh. However, it also holds risks. For instance, although you might 'code' locations for the young ones or wife etc, the fact is, you generally 'know' it plainly, the coding is for secrecy, but this assumes you wont talk, and the fact is, a toothpick shoved under the fingernails will generally get people to spill the beans.

I expect if any of the groups you know of, including your own are run over, and you or the other leaders of their BOL/BIL are captured, to be asked if they have any friends local or places they know of where their might be food, guns, ammunition, water, vehicles or other things, and quite likely tortured for such info or threatened, such as their children.

So giving up the location is not a smart move if you expect TEOTWAWKI imo.

Having said that, i do seek out to make these relationships personally, and, i do offer such assistance to those folk. My thoughts are to reach out to those people, as well as some who dont prep, and or those who are within comms reach to establish a system of help if needed at a moments notice, depending on distance apart. For instance, if one group gets hit, they call in support, and we go help to hold their BOL/BIL and vice versa.

I also believe that one needs a small well trained militia with simple common values and shifts. For some that dont prep, but can provide things, and of which i know to some degree, i will reach out to them and offer them food and shelter to them and theirs in return for unity and labor. I give them their own space for them and theirs, and they start hunting, trapping, fishing, growing, cutting wood, and all the daily necessities, as well as security training, etc.

A small militia can be a very difficult group to overcome on their own turf. Fall back locations would come after that, women and children having been prepped in the drill to leave first out the back door so to speak when given the word.

Thats just a few thoughts there for your scenario.

I'm a little concerned at what I'm hearing, it is one thing to have enough preps for twelve months for one person, but anyone that decides to help someone else that is hungry, is then landed with them from there on out, they are not going to take a can of baked beans and say thank you very much and bugger off. Once you help someone then stuck with them and your twelve months of food is now to six months... and if they bring others your down to an even shorter time of preps. Any event that blocks out the sun light, will see you need to feed yourself several years before growing food would be an option again. I think the LDS prep for seven years...which is a good goal to have.
I'm a big fan of collective wisdom, being school teacher among other things so I'm pleased to get all opinions.

You definitely have to take that point into consideration (getting lumped with more mouths to feed), and it really does come down to what situation is occurring to make that type of decision to bring people into your BIL. In my opinion, if food shortages become an issue, no electricity etc, people will turn feral in a small amount of time, and that will mean (again depending on where your BIL is located), security will become a very serious necessity.

Just having watches throughout the night and enough extra folk armed can ward off some larger group attempts to take what is yours. Therefore you can prep for more than you and yours in preparation for this.

In respect to the sun being blocked out, that's not something that i am considering prepping for as i don't personally think that will happen.

Latter Day Saints recommend food storage, 72 HR bags, etc. LDS is Latter Day Saints - it makes good sense in the given context.

I'm not LDS so not 100% but I think we need to go through WWIII before he comes back. Hence the prepping.

This has raised a number of questions in my mind.

How does one store 7 years worth of food/supplies? I'm trying to imagine what 7 years worth of toilet paper would look like for 3 or 4 people. Surely I would need a shipping container just for that. Is it even sane to attempt this? Lol

Or would an alternate way to cleanse the behind be in order?

If you have 2 hungry families at your doorstep and you decide to feed one, how do you turn the others away?

Would it be better to get them all to work for the food and help all to produce more food in the garden? Help out with security etc?

You can't help everyone. I'm not prepared for such a scenario and you can call me weak if you like but if the sun goes dark for 7 years I'll probably call it quits. Maybe Lol

I have a modest vege garden now and it cannot fully sustain just a few people. One of my neighbors are mostly self sufficient in growing food. Their day is dawn to dusk tending poultry, livestock and their gardens. No time for fishing that is for sure. Sometimes I see them at night in their sheds with their lanterns tending birthing stock. Hard workers to say the least.

These people and my other neighbors would be the types of folk that would defend this area, in one form or another. Maybe just one farm if it comes to that. If that failed then it's Bug Out, if that is still an option. A terrible thing to consider really.

I would still stock supplies of disposable toilet paper for times of sickness. Yes, the napisan will sterilize it, but when I'm sick I'd rather just ditch it.

Assuming I have somewhere to dispose of it if the wheelie bin isn't emptied each week (eg furnace, firepit, etc).