shinester
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Post by shinester on Jun 12, 2017 23:17:14 GMT 10
Avoid going outside unless to maintain security is my thinking. If you're a prepper you ought to be ready where you are, and/or ready where you're going to be to hunker down and not have to increase your risks with people who are not prepared and probably very very desperate. The very desperate revert to their ape like instincts.
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Post by Pasta Deefa on Jun 13, 2017 14:43:23 GMT 10
I don't know the terrain, but if the cave is on a waterway I would evaluate the flash flood risk.
Talked to a fellow a while back that wanted to take to the storm water system and live like a subterranean. Apparently he hadn't considered what would happen when his new kingdom filled with the stormwater the name implies.
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Post by token on Jun 13, 2017 16:41:36 GMT 10
Ignore Peter1942 he comes on here every so often, tells us we are not prepared and then leaves for a while. Says pretty much the same thing each time. Its probably GP from the other forum, he admitted that he has a couple of log ins under different names and lurks in the shadows lol. Regardless, i dont mind challenge, and my comment showed that such comments are not realistic, rather silly. |
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Post by graynomad on Jun 13, 2017 17:59:08 GMT 10
... wanted to take to the storm water system and live like a subterranean. Apparently he hadn't considered what would happen when his new kingdom filled with the stormwater the name implies. Oh shit, back to the drawing board. Who woulda thought  |
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Post by Fractus on Jun 14, 2017 17:10:39 GMT 10
Some speculation on very unlikely scenarios Is fun and helps you think of things that may help in situations that are likely and happen regularly. The supermarket is a good example. It is fairly agreed that in a shtf it is not a safe place. This may lead a beginner to realise and understand that even in a localised weather event it is not the place to be.
Almost all reasonable conversation will help someone or add a smile to others.
Help not hinder
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Post by spatial on Jun 14, 2017 20:09:54 GMT 10
Some speculation on very unlikely scenarios Is fun and helps you think of things that may help in situations that are likely and happen regularly. The supermarket is a good example. It is fairly agreed that in a shtf it is not a safe place. This may lead a beginner to realise and understand that even in a localised weather event it is not the place to be. Almost all reasonable conversation will help someone or add a smile to others. Help not hinder There are strategies for dealing with large crowds and preventing getting trampled. As always I am contrary - the opening hours of a SHTF event when people are still looting, they are more interested in getting stuff for themselves and family going out to harm other people. If you are in a supermarket and have the last 50 loaves of bread in your trolley and a person gets a bit aggressive just give him 10 loaves and move on. No one is starving yet or gone into full panic. I was just out of Port Headland WA when a cyclone came in. There was a few days of warning given and a few guys went to a supermarket less than 2 hours prior to the cyclone making landfall and could not get any bread. He put a complaint in the paper the following week that all the bread was sold out. Urgency and panic is just not there. I keep cash on hand and will hit the supermarkets for what is still available, and will even assist with the looting if all law an order is gone and the shops are staring to be put on fire by the looters. Woman and children might be a liability as there will be a requirement to move fast and make hard decisions. Peoples anger is most likely directed at gov, large institutions, banks etc... Looting does not work unless it is a group decision - in that cast the looters rely on the collective. Unless there is a huge grab for the same limited resources like the bread or milk shleves I don't see big personal security issues. Just avoid any hot spot areas. In real world situations most supermarkets are cleared within 1/2 to an hour. Going back the next day when the opportunistic criminal element have started preying on people is a lot more problematic, but there would be no real reason to go back as most shops would of been cleaned out by then. Traffic could be a problem so need to go to a shopping centre that has multiple entry or park half a km up road away from intersections and walk with your 'grey-man' backpack. It all comes down to planning where you are going to park be aware of multiple entry and exit routs and traffic congestion points. Is it worth the risk I think so - as I will be going to the pharmacy, sports shops, hardware and only go to the supermarkets if things are still mellow. |
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Post by doomsdayprepper4570 on Jun 17, 2017 13:22:18 GMT 10
Keep out of the cities and crowded places is the safest bet. I know one bloke has a few blocked off concrete drains in isolated areas and he uses them for storage compartments! The way the local rural councils have been the last 20 years they would never be found as the neglect is unbelievable. |
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Post by spatial on Jun 17, 2017 15:25:27 GMT 10
I remember many years ago reading an article where the guy recommended removing all the street signs in your neighbourhood so that person/s from outside the area will have navigational problems moving around.
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Post by peter1942 on Apr 29, 2018 14:43:13 GMT 10
I have not posted on this site since June 12th 2017 and it is interesting to read some of the comments made about me.
Comment made- Do you have all of your electronic gear in a faraday cage if a solar flare blows everything up for instance? End of comment. After the SHTF I doubt that we will have time for electronic gear. At the present time it takes one persons full time commitment to supply the nutritional needs for him/herself needs and that of their family either through growing their own or foraging or both. it also takes the support of other family members to help preserve some of that produce for future use.
Comment made- Do you have an endless supply of food that will absolutely take care of you to survive and thrive a nuclear blast and its radiation residue for years to come? End of comment. No, and neither does anybody else. What we do have is a garden and orchard area that are well suited to provide use with produce in the good years and also enough that we can preserve for the not so good years.
Comment made,- Do you have an endless supply of ammo to deal with millions of people that might find out about you and attack you? End of comment. No and neither does anybody else.
Comment made.- Again, nobody is absolutely prepared. End of comment. So, So true.
Comments made.- The other aspect is, that many of us are limited in our abilities for how much money we have and or if we are currently renting. So prepping is an ongoing thing.
Do you own your house and land etc outright or are you still paying for a mortgage? What happens if the economy collapses. Do you have an underground living area that cannot be found on the property you own, for you to survive in if the Crown decide to seize your property? End of comments. We have lived in rural areas all of our lives and have been debt free for many years and it is so very true that owning your own land is the most important aspect that one should aspire to. After a SHTF situation I doubt that the Crown would be in much of a position to do anything. We do have an underground area but we would use that as a food preservation area as it is much cooler in the summer months.
Comment made.- Ill be the first to admit im not prepped enough, and tbh i dont know if i will ever be. I do have on the foot skills for hunting, trapping and growing food etc. Im strong and very determined and wouldnt think twice to defend my family and or friends if a without rule of law situation ever occured and we were under attack, but i can always do with more skill and learning...in every area. End of comment. A paper was written some time ago about the hunting of wild game in the United States if it was ever required to feed its citizens and it was estimated that if all of the wild game in the US was slaughtered it would be enough to give each citizen enough for two meals. In Australia the population is not as great as the US but it would be interesting to see how a population would go if it was forced to live on wild game alone.
I have said it before and it is worth saying again. If you are not living in a situation whereby you believe that you have a good chance of survival after a SHTF situation then you are going to end up just like the zombies that many of you talk about.
If I am right this will be my 104th post to this site. One of my greatest critics to date has been remnant prep with over 4000 posts. Maybe I just use my time to care for myself and family better by being out there instead of siting in front of the screen.
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Post by bce1 on Apr 29, 2018 18:00:10 GMT 10
I agree Frostbite.
I’m in a similar situation - would like to live further out, would like to work harder on my self-sufficiency and would like to have more skills - but having a full time well paying job provides many offsets. I don’t think I am an arm chair - but I have to balance life as we know it vs. some possible future we don’t know - a rabbit may yet be pulled out of the hat!!
Would my prospects be better if I optimised location and life-style - possibly - but not necessarily - I think I am better prepared overall due to income I can invest in my both my preps and my self-sufficiency. I live 10km outside a 50,000 person city - would I prefer to be 50km - yes - but equally I wouldn’t have what I have, and I’m pretty happy with the big picture - will 10km of rural country side be enough? I don’t know.
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Post by bce1 on Apr 29, 2018 19:33:57 GMT 10
I quite like a name I read somewhere for our place - ‘an inter generational doomstead’
Water, over enginered shelter(earth quake zone), elevated above sea level, but close enough to use the sea, defensible, orchard and gardens - we do enough each year to prove ‘proof of concept’ for self sufficiency - just not enough time to take it further.
Best we can manage currently, time will tell if it’s enough
Currently figuring out a way to have it available to our kids / their kids etc - we have spent so much time building our doomstead it wold be a shame if we died and it was sold for short-term gain - looking at a variety of options.
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