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Post by qldprepper on Jan 15, 2014 17:26:53 GMT 10
Hi all,
I'm new to the forum and an wondering how far along the way you all are towards your preparedness goals.
Prepping to me seems to be a fairly new trend and I've been at it done time - curious to know what people prioritise.
I've broken my efforts into several key groups
Accommodation Health Food Water Security Transport Energy
I'm pretty much where I wanna be for some of these but not others which is mostly in line with my own characteristics and skills - for example I'm trained as a medic but not a doctor so haven't made great progress with the health side of things.
What are your key priorities and why?
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Post by remnantprep on Jan 16, 2014 9:43:03 GMT 10
Last year and A half focussed on food and medical preps. This year saving for property and continuing adding to stocks. Hubby has also started garden.
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Post by qldprepper on Jan 16, 2014 13:33:58 GMT 10
interesting - is there any particular reason that you've focused more on the health and food side of things rather than the others?
I have personally been developing my security capabilities and thats simply because its what comes easiest. I've had training in that sector but am finding costs to be a big reason i'm not developing that more.
Budgetary constraints really force me to divert resources to one (sometimes two) key group at a time and the tendency is to stick to what i know which i dont necessarily think is the best overall strategy.
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Post by remnantprep on Jan 16, 2014 15:45:32 GMT 10
Just started with what I felt was easiest to get my head around!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2014 10:46:58 GMT 10
Yes like you Qldprepper, we are trying to get most things up and running as $$$ allow, food and Medical is at the forefront and our BOL this year! The rest we are up and running with! Gaz
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Post by Ausprep on Jan 18, 2014 15:02:19 GMT 10
Security and transport seem to always top my "to do" lists. I think these are two very important topics that many do not pay near enough attention too.
Food and water come in next.
Energy for me, is tied in with transport, as is accommodation.
Health is something i have not dabble in a great deal. I have made my own FAK and know a little.
Caches is high on my list for the next few months as is comprising a firm Plan A and plan B.
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Post by wolfstar on Jan 18, 2014 15:28:21 GMT 10
as im still new to actual preparing (as opposed to worrying ceaslessly and feeling anxious because i was brought up as a homesteadder, but was thrown out of my element, am getting back into it now!), im sort of dabbling, as i buy what i can when i can, info is as crucial as actual goods, so im buying books on things like blacksmithing, have developed skills in sewing, crochet, amongst others. i have also started preserving and stockpiling and gathering survival supplies.
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Post by qldprepper on Jan 20, 2014 14:34:58 GMT 10
books on blacksmithing - thats wise.
I actually went to he lifeline bookfest on the weekend and got some books covering some of the forgotten trades. I've made a concerted effort myself to get as much of this old world knowledge (blacksmithing, coopering, knitting, leather working and tanning, hand tools only construction etc) in old world format (books and magazines). Naturally i'm still connected as i'm employed in the technology sector and have all these in digital format but I really believe its eseential to have this information in a format that cant be wiped, erased, deleted or otherwise lost through carelessness or equipment failure (except fire of course but then nothing is safe from that...)
Books are really high on my list of priorities - knowledge should be on that list....
My logic for each element is as follows. Each one (with the exception of accommodation and transport) is really about securing adequate stockpiles as well as setting up secured production capabilities : Health, Food, Water, Security, Energy.
Each I can buy now and store for later but each i can also produce on my own with the right equipment.
Health is for me the most complicated because its nigh on impossible to produce your own sterile bandages and instruments - they really need to be bought from new but then they're also reasonably unlikely to be needed so there is fairly low stock levels required to maintain a healthy medical kit. Everything you could ever need could fit into two milk crates if you lay low and take care of yourself.
Energy also seems simple on face value but isnt when the long term is considered. Its not enough to store a thousand gallons of diesel -eventually it runs out. That and special products need to be added to the fuel to stop engine destroying bacteria from growing in your storage containers. So both locations 1 and 2 have first and second tier power provision. Either solar, wind, hydroelectric or steam powered. My house has mains, solar and a backup generator. my second location has solar, wind and i'm now working on hydroelectrics (although the water flow in the region isnt stable enough to be reliable) and i'm also researching plans for a steam engine - if theres one thing i got a lot of its long burning wood. Of course setting the hydro and steam stuff up isn't cheap so i haven't gotten to it yet.
Transport for me is a carburetor 4 wheel drive - EMP proof! Its also been modified somewhat to be able to drive offroad with ease. I dont actually have a secondary vehicle yet (again money) but am planning on a motor bike of some description - one that fits in the back of the car.
Food and water are actually for me the simplest problems to solve. My location 1 and location 2 both have ample storage supplied by rainwater and each are located in relatively high rainfall areas. Food storage is already sorted for both and production is sorted for location 1 and ramping up for location 2.
Security is expensive and complex. Having enough weapons and knowing how to use them is not the problem - ammunition is. Ammo runs dry in no time, especially if there is conflict on the horizon. You'd be surprised how easily you can burn through 10,000 rounds of high calibre ammo. I've just finished setting up a small scale reloading facility so all i need to do is store the raw materials. No tonly does it make every day shooting cheaper and far more accurate but it also provides me with a near endless supply (if i keep the required stock levels on hand).
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Post by shinester on Jan 21, 2014 2:56:29 GMT 10
How am I doing towards my goals, GREAT!
Whilst every area needs focus currently are
- owning my own place - takes time to collect the money - self sufficiency/resupply, particularly food - stepping production past the simply veggie patch I've been running for years. - community - strength in numbers. I've been working on some friends to bring them into the zone, without risking OpSec, a tricky balance. I've almost my first fruit of that crop with a good and trusted friend just about there.
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Post by Big Ted on Jan 21, 2014 21:28:06 GMT 10
Transport for me is a carburetor 4 wheel drive - EMP proof! Its also been modified somewhat to be able to drive offroad with ease. Security is expensive and complex. Having enough weapons and knowing how to use them is not the problem - ammunition is. Ammo runs dry in no time, especially if there is conflict on the horizon. You'd be surprised how easily you can burn through 10,000 rounds of high calibre ammo. I've just finished setting up a small scale reloading facility so all i need to do is store the raw materials. No tonly does it make every day shooting cheaper and far more accurate but it also provides me with a near endless supply (if i keep the required stock levels on hand). Can you elaborate on the EMP proof vehicle? Does it not have an electrical circuit in it at all? Are you serious about the 10K rounds comment or having a joke? Last year I sold my first ever owned 338 LapMag Accuracy international. Beautiful rifle. Reason being, it needed rebarrelling as it could not group consistently anymore and the droop was out of tolerance after 6215 rounds. That took me nearly 9 years of Range and hunting, most ammo spent on the range of course, and cost around 47 grand in Ammunition. HURTS TO VOCALIZE THIS! Unless you're firing bullets out of a Semi auto or a Belt fed MG, Highly doubt it, it takes a quite a while to go through 10 thousand bullets. Especially in a High calibre weapon. 22.s are not a High calibre weapon, you realize this yeh? 10,000 rounds for a 338 with small variations in powder and brass costs would see you having spent approx $95,000. 300 Win Mags are very similar in size and cost. Its dollar figures like these that have made me ask whether or not you're joking or just telling lies and trying to make yourself sound like you have it all sewn up for some reason. 5000 rounds in 308 takes up that much room it is not funny. You can barely fit 2000 rounds of 308 in to a standard size gun safe let alone 10 thousand and that's only a little cal that does not take up much space at all compared to a 338 or a 50. So....the big questions...............What High cal weapon was it that you put 10,000 rounds through (because it sounds as though you're speaking from experience) AND exactly what amount of time is " No time" with regards to the time it takes to let loose Ten Thousand Rounds of High Calibre Ammunition???
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Post by shinester on Jan 22, 2014 4:09:22 GMT 10
I like the info testers here. It's good to know that within us are some real experts in many areas
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2014 8:27:31 GMT 10
I think Qldprepper was using the figure of 10,000 rounds as an example for a full contact... I just made a mistake with my Meat eating figures..LMAO...
I think as an example, 4 people in a firefight, using .223 in 30 round mags on semi auto, having 10 mags each could empty nearly all in say 2hr conflict, depending on the conflict. That's 40 mags = 1,200 rounds.
I think what QP was trying to say was we need to have plenty of Preps for any event!
But as bullets really hurt and can ruin your day....I will not get into a firefight unless cornered!!! or last resort!!! We need to use camouflage to hide our BOL and ourselves!
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Post by qldprepper on Jan 22, 2014 13:09:35 GMT 10
I'll address the more contentious point first :
I actually meant 10,000 rounds.
To clarify, i very rarely use anything higher than .308 simply for the cost associated with it. .338 laps stand at about 6 bucks a round for factory ammo and .50 are worse. Neither of any of the platforms ive used in the past are maneuverable enough to suit the purposes I have in mind so they're out by definition. 10,000 .308 rounds come to about 6-8k in raw material costs depending on projectiles, brass and loads (plus the time used to make them) and it guarantees supply, consistency, groupings and shelf life.
The quantity to stock also really depends on how many weapons you're servicing and how many people you have to deploy them. I personally use between 2000-3000 rounds per year so 10,000 is about a 2-3 year supply and I reload several hundred at a time. My secondary location is so far out that I can (and frequently do) literally set up shop in the morning, shoot all day and all night and in a weekend its realistic for me go through several hundred. I sometimes head out there for entire weeks - most of which i spend hunting or training in varied atmospheric conditions. I'm not restricted to range requirements and have gotten the costs to a reasonable point where i can justify the expense. Storage space is not an issue.
Bear in mind that those numbers are based on me shooting alone - i often also have company. One person doubles the estimate, two triples it. No time can be a matter of weeks depending on who i bring and what they're operating - guys with semi-autos rip through hundreds in hours, not days.
I go through barrels every 12-18 months. I'm actually surprised to see that you've managed to get over 6000 through a 338 lap AI. I tend to rebarrel after 4-5000 because I find the effects of overuse starting to present at about that stage. I've been converted to using only heavy barrels for their increased longevity. My platform is the Remington 700 due simply to its customisable nature.
So far as an EMP Proof vehicle is concerned, essentially a carbureted vehicle with a faraday caged ignition coil (or a mechanical ignition system installed) as well as a mechanical voltage regulator does the trick. "Proof" is probably a strong word but then im reasonably confident any incident EM field wont impair its operation. Ive tested using a few artificially created induced currents to no effect. So far so good.
I certainly don't have it "all sewn up" thats for sure - if i did i wouldn't waste my time reading posts on boards like this.
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Post by Big Ted on Jan 22, 2014 17:31:48 GMT 10
I think Qldprepper was using the figure of 10,000 rounds as an example for a full contact... I just made a mistake with my Meat eating figures..LMAO... I think as an example, 4 people in a firefight, using .223 in 30 round mags on semi auto, having 10 mags each could empty nearly all in say 2hr conflict, depending on the conflict. That's 40 mags = 1,200 rounds. I think what QP was trying to say was we need to have plenty of Preps for any event! But as bullets really hurt and can ruin your day....I will not get into a firefight unless cornered!!! or last resort!!! We need to use camouflage to hide our BOL and ourselves! Anyone and Everyone who has been in the Military has been in a "Firefight" yeh!?? He corrected you anyway Gaz, He literally meant 10,000 rounds.
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Post by Big Ted on Jan 22, 2014 17:58:05 GMT 10
I'll address the more contentious point first : I actually meant 10,000 rounds. To clarify, i very rarely use anything higher than .308 simply for the cost associated with it. .338 laps stand at about 6 bucks a round for factory ammo and .50 are worse. Neither of any of the platforms ive used in the past are maneuverable enough to suit the purposes I have in mind so they're out by definition. 10,000 .308 rounds come to about 6-8k in raw material costs depending on projectiles, brass and loads (plus the time used to make them) and it guarantees supply, consistency, groupings and shelf life. The quantity to stock also really depends on how many weapons you're servicing and how many people you have to deploy them. I personally use between 2000-3000 rounds per year so 10,000 is about a 2-3 year supply and I reload several hundred at a time. My secondary location is so far out that I can (and frequently do) literally set up shop in the morning, shoot all day and all night and in a weekend its realistic for me go through several hundred. I sometimes head out there for entire weeks - most of which i spend hunting or training in varied atmospheric conditions. I'm not restricted to range requirements and have gotten the costs to a reasonable point where i can justify the expense. Storage space is not an issue. Bear in mind that those numbers are based on me shooting alone - i often also have company. One person doubles the estimate, two triples it. No time can be a matter of weeks depending on who i bring and what they're operating - guys with semi-autos rip through hundreds in hours, not days. I go through barrels every 12-18 months. I'm actually surprised to see that you've managed to get over 6000 through a 338 lap AI. I tend to rebarrel after 4-5000 because I find the effects of overuse starting to present at about that stage. I've been converted to using only heavy barrels for their increased longevity. My platform is the Remington 700 due simply to its customisable nature. So far as an EMP Proof vehicle is concerned, essentially a carbureted vehicle with a faraday caged ignition coil (or a mechanical ignition system installed) as well as a mechanical voltage regulator does the trick. "Proof" is probably a strong word but then im reasonably confident any incident EM field wont impair its operation. Ive tested using a few artificially created induced currents to no effect. So far so good. I certainly don't have it "all sewn up" thats for sure - if i did i wouldn't waste my time reading posts on boards like this. LoL A .308 is Not a High Cal weapon by any means. Even loaded to the hilt its NOT a high calibre weapon. I'm thinking your previous military service you so openly " Touted " about in your First ever post on this forum is more akin to that of ICUB4UCME's. Have you actually owned an Accuracy International 338 before? Two to Three years is a long time not " no time at all ". 338 Lap at $6.50 would be like Highland .308 at 18 dollars a box. Just Rubbish that goes Bang. EMP proof vehicle.......hmmmmmm.....So you're kind of Like The Tony Stark of Preppers yeh? Creating artificial Magnetic fields to test your Faraday caged ignition coil or a Mechanical ignition system. What about your battery and alternator and starter motor and fuel pump and thermo fan just to mention a few, Sure you can have mechanical pumps and belt driven fans but the battery and alternator and starter motor are an issue right? Or what about the fact that most spark plugs are in fact an earth return circuit and will probably have cooked electrodes from an EMP and the points and Capacitor in the actual Dizzy will surely fry from it as well. How about the actual ignition circuit from which you power the starter motor with from your keyed ignition barrel? If you have a Diesel, what are you going to do about the glow plugs and the resistor used in the ignition circuit for them? I don't think that you have an EMP proof vehicle quite yet Tony! Surely you would have pointed out a few more things to protect valuable circuits other than just a faraday cage over an ignition coil and one on a voltage regulator. If a "Board like this" is such a Waste of your precious time and drain upon you then why stay? Most of us have a good laugh together and some of us communicate and socialize outside of the net and I really can't think of anyone who thinks that this forum is a " waste of time ", Especially the Creator which you have just insulted. Shocking behaviour! Wayne I will just point out that the majority of the defence force do not feel that your hard work and valuable time put in to this forum are not a waste of time. You need to remember qldprepper, that when you publicly declare that you are ex military, that you then represent the military for the rest of your life! ( Your words ). Do you Know or have you used the username ICUB4UCME before today?
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Post by qldprepper on Jan 23, 2014 8:32:52 GMT 10
you'll have to clarify, what is ICUB4UCME....
Nope, never owned a AI 338 lap.
two to three years is based on my consumption alone, like i said when i include the other members of our group it becomes a much smaller figure, albeit one thats still measured in months or years. I've been at this fa fair while now and our last purchase lasted about 3 years. Its called planning for the future...
No, i'm no Tony Stark. I'm sure you know a mechanical voltage regulator was the method of current distribution in cars that predate about the 1970s, they used them in all sorts of devices back then but the method has since changed. Its hard to find old cars with them fitted these days. Same goes for the mechanical ignition system.
Those are the key points that ive covered so far so yeah, like i said, proof is probably as strong word to use but the key circuits are protected.
There is very little you can do about spark plugs or the other systems youve described. Some of these are also hardier than others but you do make a good point. There is still vulnerability there albeit reasonably limited
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