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Post by Frank on Jul 17, 2017 18:52:51 GMT 10
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Post by paranoia on Jul 17, 2017 19:46:05 GMT 10
Thanks for posting Frank.
I think far too few people understand the implications of what is coming over the next few decades and it will catch most by surprise. These coming changes are most of the reason for my long term preps.
Not only do I expect a massive paradigm shift to be brought on by automation potentially destabilising all aspects of the economy but I believe a technological singularity is a possible outcome of our current trajectory.
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Post by token on Jul 17, 2017 20:04:44 GMT 10
The movie 'the fate of the furious 5' or whatever its called, the fast and furious serious, Cipher (the name of a hacker) successfully jakes automated cars whether drivers are in them or not to do her work. Interesting.
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Post by paranoia on Jul 17, 2017 21:02:38 GMT 10
The movie 'the fate of the furious 5' or whatever its called, the fast and furious serious, Cipher (the name of a hacker) successfully jakes automated cars whether drivers are in them or not to do her work. Interesting.
This is potentially one of the weaknesses of us moving forward towards an 'internet of things' (IoT) model. This is happening regardless, people want everything connected. Not only that but having centralised computing is much more efficient as you can have smaller more efficient portable devices send off little packets to be analysed by stationary mainframes.
So for our convenience everything is automated, then networked for ease of management. You then imagine the singularity with motivations along the lines of the paperclip maximiser. Bad news. That super-intelligence decides it wants all the automated cars... or anything for that matter and it just takes it.
Now this is real tin foil hat stuff for the majority of people that hear these ideas. Spend enough time looking into it though and you'll realise the people publicly expressing these ideas are some of the greatest thinkers of our time.
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Post by spatial on Jul 17, 2017 21:26:47 GMT 10
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Post by token on Jul 18, 2017 17:27:29 GMT 10
If it continues the future wars will simply be robot vs robot until it comes to where you live....terminator much?
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Post by spatial on Jul 18, 2017 17:47:52 GMT 10
The last a heard was a few years back the US air force were saying they are developing their last fighter jet as it is cheaper to use drones. One can put 10-15 drones in the air for the cost of one manned fighter jet. The drones don't have restrictions on g-forces or altitude, or having to recover a downed pilot. It becomes a numbers an tech game. The US military consider soldiers as simply ordinance delivery system. Autonomous robots for security detail at shopping malls etc... Robot Security Guard "Commits Suicide" In Mall Fountainwww.zerohedge.com/news/2017-07-17/robot-security-guard-commits-suicide-mall-fountain |
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Post by spatial on Jul 18, 2017 17:52:34 GMT 10
The US security used a similar system late last year during an active shooting/terrorist event. the put explosives on the robot an drove it into the parking basement where the well armed guy was holed up - the blew up the drone taking our the shooter. |
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Post by blueshoes on Jul 18, 2017 19:03:05 GMT 10
The US security used a similar system late last year during an active shooting/terrorist event. the put explosives on the robot an drove it into the parking basement where the well armed guy was holed up - the blew up the drone taking our the shooter. link/citation please? Sounds interesting |
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Post by paranoia on Jul 18, 2017 19:16:02 GMT 10
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Post by blueshoes on Jul 18, 2017 21:54:54 GMT 10
Wow yeah, how did I miss that. I did hear about IS strapping explosives to standard commercial drones and flying them into clusters of US/Allied soldiers...
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Post by paranoia on Jul 18, 2017 22:21:47 GMT 10
Wow yeah, how did I miss that. I did hear about IS strapping explosives to standard commercial drones and flying them into clusters of US/Allied soldiers... It's new in some ways but really it was just a quick thinker coming up with a solution to a specific situation. Technology has existed for ages just took a desperate security bloke with an RC bot, a bomb and duct tape. It could have been accomplished with a Mario bomb-omb. What concerns me with robot warfare is we're already developing the technologies for automated target aquisition. Things such as mass data-mining, facial recognition, gps tracking, IoT, AI navigation & driving are being developed without regulation to their use. This is obviously separate to technological inequality induced collapses and a potential singularity... But it all feeds in. |
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Post by tomatoes on Jul 18, 2017 22:48:31 GMT 10
Not only do I expect a massive paradigm shift to be brought on by automation potentially destabilising all aspects of the economy but I believe a technological singularity is a possible outcome of our current trajectory. Paranoia, Some time if you have the time, I'd be interested to see you expand on this paragraph. |
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Post by graynomad on Jul 19, 2017 7:24:39 GMT 10
I've been a tech geek designing electronics gadgets for about 40 years, and I don't want the IoT or anything like it near me. Yes the various gadgets we have available now are good in many ways but they just fail and them you get stressed, the number of remote-control lights and other things I've had that fail about 2 months after I spent hours (or even days) installing them is just ridiculous. Just this morning my browser shat itself and I've lost about 5 windows and 50 tabs of stuff I was saving to deal with later. So I decide to upgrade the browser and I can't because I don't have the latest "framework" (VB.net I assume). What a crock of shit. My computer sometimes shows the screen background and sometime it doesn't, sometimes it auto connects to the network and sometimes it doesn't. And "we" want more of this crap? "We" want cashless commerce and driverless cars? Good luck with that. Every time this sort of thing happens I back further away from hi-tech, I'm moving more and more into the physical world and away form the cyber world. I'll always use some hi-tech of course (ranting here for example  ) but when something shits itself I go outside and look at my hammers and other tools, some of which are probably 100 years old and still working as well as the day they were made. So far at least we have the option to be selective, we can pick the eyes out of the modern stuff but not be too dependent on it. That will change I suppose and at some point we won't have much choice because we can't stop progress. |
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Post by graynomad on Jul 19, 2017 7:48:49 GMT 10
Very true, several times I've lived out of a 4x4 or under a tarp in a shed for months (even over a year in one case) and been quite comfortable and happy.
Our current lifestyle is much lower tech than most people, but I plan to lower the bar even more where I can.
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Post by spatial on Jul 20, 2017 20:55:36 GMT 10
Not only do I expect a massive paradigm shift to be brought on by automation potentially destabilising all aspects of the economy but I believe a technological singularity is a possible outcome of our current trajectory. Paranoia, Some time if you have the time, I'd be interested to see you expand on this paragraph. Another example of AI taking over jobs... Wal-Mart Replaces More Than 4,000 Employees With Machineswww.zerohedge.com/news/2017-07-19/wal-mart-replaces-more-4000-employees-machines“Last August, a 55-year-old Wal-Mart employee found out her job would now be done by a robot. Her task was to count cash and track the accuracy of the store’s books from a desk in a windowless back room. She earned $13 an hour. Instead, Wal-Mart Stores Inc. started using a hulking gray machine that counts eight bills per second and 3,000 coins a minute. The Cash360 machine digitally deposits money at the bank, earning interest for Wal-Mart faster than sending an armored car. And it uses software to predict how much cash is needed on a given day to reduce excess. ‘They think it will be a more efficient way to process the money,’ said the employee, who has worked with Wal-Mart for a decade.” |
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Post by Peter on Jul 20, 2017 21:10:35 GMT 10
Yep, that'll increasingly become the norm.
Look at carparks over the last couple of decades - it's cheaper, faster, and easier to have a machine receive funds and print a ticket than having a clerk at a desk. It's the same in so many industries.
Look at GPS driven tractors over the last few years, self-parking cars over recent times, and soon, self-driving cars, etc. Aircraft autopilot was just the beginning.
There are now even retail stores in which you fill your shopping bags and walk out - their scanners detect what you've taken and automatically bill your credit card (I forget where I saw the reference, but I'll look it up when I get a minute). We can assume that as they scan items - and your card - they'll know exactly what each person buys and when.
Orwell's 1984 is here. And it's going to go a hell of a lot further.
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Post by Frank on Jul 20, 2017 22:15:29 GMT 10
Orwell's 1984 is here. And it's going to go a hell of a lot further. This +1 |
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Post by paranoia on Jul 21, 2017 10:27:31 GMT 10
Someone just emailed me this abc article about algorithm based decision making within the government. www.abc.net.au/news/2017-07-21/algorithms-can-make-decisions-on-behalf-of-federal-ministers/8704858?pfm=msOf particular interest is the social security legislation as below: 6A Secretary may arrange for use of computer programs to make decisions The Secretary may arrange for the use, under the Secretary's control, of computer programs for any purposes for which the Secretary may make decisions under the social security law. A decision made by the operation of a computer program under an arrangement made under subsection (1) is taken to be a decision made by the Secretary. Will expand on my thoughts on AI & automation soon, have been less than sharp mentally over the past few days due to illness. This just seemed very appropriate to the conversation. |
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) but when something shits itself I go outside and look at my hammers and other tools, some of which are probably 100 years old and still working as well as the day they were made.