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Post by spatial on Sept 7, 2017 21:45:18 GMT 10
There are a lot of natural disasters happening including record bush fires in California and a few other states in the US, Australia is poised for a very bad drought almost no rain in large parts of NSW. Hurricane Irma is breaking all records for longest sustained Cat 5 and is still going strong - expecting a direct hit on Florida - large parts of Florida will become uninhabitable for many years. Two other hurricanes have just formed, including another tropical storm. 3 CME on the way and their impact could be cumulative, the solar physical that I watch gives it at a 10% chance for a major event and is out getting preps just in case.  |
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Post by spatial on Sept 7, 2017 22:42:03 GMT 10
There has been a density and speed downgrade on the CME so we are safe for the moment, just minor disruptions to communications expected.
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Post by tomatoes on Sept 7, 2017 23:08:45 GMT 10
There has been a density and speed downgrade on the CME so we are safe for the moment, just minor disruptions to communications expected. Yes. I've been watching that. |
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Post by spatial on Sept 8, 2017 2:38:22 GMT 10
Meanwhile, as the Wall Street Journal points out, those looking to flee by car are facing similar hassles with long lines at gas stations...  And, of course, panic hoarding has already left store shelves empty across much of Florida.  |
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Post by spatial on Sept 8, 2017 11:54:24 GMT 10
Things have escalated, big fuel shortage now in Florida, Gov is bringing in ships with extra fuel and police escorts for fuel tanker to get fuel to the people so they can evacuate. This is real life scenario to see how things go down. Police, army reserves etc and fed are all involved in traffic control as well as remote cameras used to control traffic - traffic is very heavy but still moving. Unfortunately for Florida at such a narrow pan handle only one exit route which makes things interesting. "Greatest Evacuation In History" - 650,000 Ordered To Leave Florida www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-09-07/greatest-evacuation-history-650000-ordered-leave-florida |
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Post by tomatoes on Sept 8, 2017 14:28:03 GMT 10
Solar storms update
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Post by tomatoes on Sept 8, 2017 17:16:59 GMT 10
And now, a tsunami is following the Mexico earthquake.
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Post by WolfDen on Sept 8, 2017 22:01:38 GMT 10
Yeah been keeping an eye on this for awhile, amazing both with the hurricanes and CME's. Massive bushfires across the US and North Australia. And now with the earthquake of the coast of Mexico.
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Post by spatial on Sept 9, 2017 12:37:23 GMT 10
Yeah been keeping an eye on this for awhile, amazing both with the hurricanes and CME's. Massive bushfires across the US and North Australia. And now with the earthquake of the coast of Mexico. A must see simulation of what Miami will look like on Sunday morning, it is apocalyptic in nature. |
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Post by spinifex on Sept 9, 2017 20:02:01 GMT 10
Well ... with all this disastering going on ... a new high for the DOW is a certainty! Disasters require reconstruction ... which is great for the economy!
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Post by spatial on Sept 9, 2017 23:16:37 GMT 10
Well ... with all this disastering going on ... a new high for the DOW is a certainty! Disasters require reconstruction ... which is great for the economy! That is a fallacy or a ruse to get people not to panic and keep markets on an even keel. The stock markets are very manipulated. Disasters are bad for the economy - if it was good why not just burn Chicago or any city down to the ground and then rebuild. Perhaps we should bulldoze Melbourne into the sea and then all rejoice at the great economy it will generate. The debt spending to recover from the disasters will be astronomical and greatly accelerate the coming of the next financial collapse. Just about all gov across the world now live on debt, So any funding will have to be moire debt. Many insurance companies will go broke and plenty of people will loose jobs due to the floods, and gov income from tax will be way down, not to mention expenditure way up. |
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Post by spinifex on Sept 10, 2017 9:17:23 GMT 10
Well ... with all this disastering going on ... a new high for the DOW is a certainty! Disasters require reconstruction ... which is great for the economy! That is a fallacy or a ruse to get people not to panic and keep markets on an even keel. The stock markets are very manipulated. Disasters are bad for the economy - if it was good why not just burn Chicago or any city down to the ground and then rebuild. Perhaps we should bulldoze Melbourne into the sea and then all rejoice at the great economy it will generate. The debt spending to recover from the disasters will be astronomical and greatly accelerate the coming of the next financial collapse. Just about all gov across the world now live on debt, So any funding will have to be moire debt. Many insurance companies will go broke and plenty of people will loose jobs due to the floods, and gov income from tax will be way down, not to mention expenditure way up. Well Quite! My facetiousness must have sliced off into the weeds ... But now you mention it ... burning all our cities down ... hmmmm. |
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Post by spinifex on Sept 10, 2017 9:24:17 GMT 10
Also ... Hat-tip to Cuba and the Caribbean islands hit by hurricane. Interesting that these puny nations just 'get on with life' and their citizens just do what needs to be done without hyperbole ... while the USA has a panic attack.
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Post by tomatoes on Sept 12, 2017 9:28:58 GMT 10
As the solar region that was shooting off all the M and X class flares last week stopped pointing directly at the earth a bit over a day ago, it shot off another X class flare that is being reported to have been worse than the others, and that it would have been very dangerous for earth had it been a few days earlier. We got lucky.
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Post by spatial on Sept 12, 2017 11:31:03 GMT 10
Also ... Hat-tip to Cuba and the Caribbean islands hit by hurricane. Interesting that these puny nations just 'get on with life' and their citizens just do what needs to be done without hyperbole ... while the USA has a panic attack. Most of the smaller islands are totally devastated and uninhabitable, with desperate please for assistance.. It has gone apocalyptic and without foreign assistance most the inhabitants would simply die. Couple trapped in rat-infested room on lawless island wrecked by Irma have been 'abandoned by the British Government'www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09/10/british-couple-trapped-rat-infested-room-hurricane-island-abandoned/A British couple have been hiding in a rat-infested bathroom with no water for five days as the Caribbean island they were living on descends into lawlessness in the wake of Hurricane Irma, their family have said. Jos Smart, 26, and his girlfriend Julia Taylor, 30, say they have been abandoned by the British Government and are too afraid to leave the half-destroyed hotel that they found refuge in amid reports of looting and violence. The Category 5 storm hit the island on Wednesday and it has since been placed under curfew to try and restore order. British Troops and police officers have been sent to help the British Virgin Islands (BVI), but families of those on St Maarten, which is Dutch and shares the island with the French St Martin to the north, say that because it is not a British territory their loved ones have been abandoned. |
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Post by spinifex on Sept 12, 2017 20:40:56 GMT 10
Lets consider the content of this 'report' for a moment. And see how much of it could be hyperbole spun up out of the irrational fear of a couple of tightly strung tourists and a reporters need to write a story that sells.
Now ... I've NEVER been to the island in question in this report. But I get the impression it's a fairly swanky holiday destination. It isn't Haiti. The 'victims' previously resided on a super yacht.
Consider the quotes:
"They are holed up in a half demolished bathroom and their phone is running out of battery.
"They are in a bit of a state. There have been rats in their room looking for food. At night time there were people knocking on their door, and so there are 12 hours of sheer blackness to get through with the terror of who is going to knock down the door. "
Well ... perhaps the fit, young former inhabitants of the 'super yacht' ought to take a look outside their bathroom and start interacting with others. Maybe they'd find a way to charge their phone. Maybe they'd help some hungry children ... or look after the elderly along the way. Maybe they'd get started on boiling up a safe water supply instead of waiting for 'the government' to bring in bottled water all the way from the UK or France.
They seem to be victims of their own imaginations ... freaking out over people knocking on their door. Maybe those knocking have some intent other than homicide behind their actions? Perhaps they're also looking for a relatively intact spot to spend the night. Perhaps those knocking may think the yacht inhabitants might have a supply of food that they could share? But ... the tone of the article implies those knocking are just dripping with sinister intent. They're all murders and rapists. And the sad fact is that many, many readers take that irrational fear as Truth. As for 12 hours of sheer blackness ... that an attempt to make 'night' sound scary.
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"there are claims coming out of the island that there has been looting, with armed criminals overpowering security guards and the army."
Ok. Now think about that sentence and think about what you know about army troops, security guards and the average local on a Caribbean island under British/dutch/french law whose economy is tourism.
Are islander residents at that location going to be gun-toting, machete wielding barbarians? It seems unlikely. All of those countries have tight firearm laws. So ... what are they armed with that would enable them to overcome armed soldiers and security guards with full training? No details forthcoming in the article I see. And not an actual picture of a homicidal rapist barbarian anywhere in sight. All we have is a reporter passing on an unverified claim.
Chances are the 'looting' is almost entirely a case of hungry, homeless people looking for a feed and a dry place to sleep. They actually seem fairly polite ... considering they knock before entering.
Yes, these folks are in a tough situation. But there is sound reason to think the fear mongering in this article is largely hyperbole.
I'll be keen to see what other articles surface.
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Post by spatial on Sept 12, 2017 21:44:02 GMT 10
I'll be keen to see what other articles surface. Watch from the 4th minute. More looter stories at 5.50min mark |
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Post by spatial on Sept 12, 2017 21:55:33 GMT 10
Looters going through all stores and house to house...
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Post by spinifex on Sept 13, 2017 18:04:07 GMT 10
And yet ... I still haven't found any actual images or videos of the armed mobs after 30 minutes of googling. I would expect quite a few local folks getting around with axes and machetes ... they'll be needing to cut up fallen trees and such. I would expect non-violent looting as shown in the clip above - thats just poor local folks taking advantage of an opportunity. There are no guns or knife weilding psychos in sight.
What a study of all the many images/videos definately provides evidence of is serious storm damage to infrastructure. The rest is pretty much locals getting on with doing what they need to do. I imagine after years and years of seeing rich tourists swanning around fancy resorts quite a few locals might be inclined to think helping themselves to the riches on offer is only fair. Especially considering they may well have understood that the rich foreigners were going to go back to their intact lives thousands of kilometres away while they, the locals were going to have to make do for the foreseeable future. These locals may have taken the view that whatever jobs they had might not be around for quite some time; so looting jewelry and banks would seem necessary to them in order to have something to trade/pay for supplies a few weeks from now.
This is one of the problems of modern media and reporting ... cross-pollinating and repeating the same rumour based narratives on 30 different channels/papers ends up transforming those 'stories' into facts. In some cases the stories contain facts ... but often they contain nothing more than re-iterated rumours.
Interview with what sounds like a level headed American describing events. Note what he 'heard about' versus what he says he actually saw.
(If anyone finds footage/images of armed looters going feral please post up link. It'll be useful learning material)
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Post by spinifex on Sept 13, 2017 19:08:56 GMT 10
Further food for thought ... I wonder how many false insurance claims involving 'looting' will be filed by returning tourists or the local wealthy?
"Hello Claims department? My $20 000 Rolex has been looted! The wife's solid gold jewelry too! And both the kids iPhone 8's"
Bad behaviors following disasters are not just the work of the lower socio-economic people. The wealthy are capable of their own brand of dodginess ... they just hide it better.
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