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Post by spatial on Sept 13, 2017 20:22:46 GMT 10
And yet ... I still haven't found any actual images or videos of the armed mobs after 30 minutes of googling. I would expect quite a few local folks getting around with axes and machetes ... they'll be needing to cut up fallen trees and such. I would expect non-violent looting as shown in the clip above - thats just poor local folks taking advantage of an opportunity. There are no guns or knife weilding psychos in sight. What a study of all the many images/videos definately provides evidence of is serious storm damage to infrastructure. The rest is pretty much locals getting on with doing what they need to do. I imagine after years and years of seeing rich tourists swanning around fancy resorts quite a few locals might be inclined to think helping themselves to the riches on offer is only fair. Especially considering they may well have understood that the rich foreigners were going to go back to their intact lives thousands of kilometres away while they, the locals were going to have to make do for the foreseeable future. These locals may have taken the view that whatever jobs they had might not be around for quite some time; so looting jewelry and banks would seem necessary to them in order to have something to trade/pay for supplies a few weeks from now. This is one of the problems of modern media and reporting ... cross-pollinating and repeating the same rumour based narratives on 30 different channels/papers ends up transforming those 'stories' into facts. In some cases the stories contain facts ... but often they contain nothing more than re-iterated rumours. Interview with what sounds like a level headed American describing events. Note what he 'heard about' versus what he says he actually saw. (If anyone finds footage/images of armed looters going feral please post up link. It'll be useful learning material) The hotel blocked the road access and put armed guards to protect the hotel, and it got much worse after they left the island - it is not all sunshine and roses. One of the first things the gov did when got in foreign troops was to enforce a curfew and put armed guards on the street corners. If those kinds of actions were not taken then things would of been much worse. Without foreign aid from the west the majority of the island population would not survive. If a storm like that came through post SHTF and there was no assistance -those counties would descend into a hell hole with no respite. |
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Post by SA Hunter on Sept 13, 2017 22:53:27 GMT 10
I heard Trump was now going to build a wall along the east coast of America - should at least keep Jose out!!!
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Post by spinifex on Sept 14, 2017 21:02:51 GMT 10
And yet ... I still haven't found any actual images or videos of the armed mobs after 30 minutes of googling. I would expect quite a few local folks getting around with axes and machetes ... they'll be needing to cut up fallen trees and such. I would expect non-violent looting as shown in the clip above - thats just poor local folks taking advantage of an opportunity. There are no guns or knife weilding psychos in sight. What a study of all the many images/videos definately provides evidence of is serious storm damage to infrastructure. The rest is pretty much locals getting on with doing what they need to do. I imagine after years and years of seeing rich tourists swanning around fancy resorts quite a few locals might be inclined to think helping themselves to the riches on offer is only fair. Especially considering they may well have understood that the rich foreigners were going to go back to their intact lives thousands of kilometres away while they, the locals were going to have to make do for the foreseeable future. These locals may have taken the view that whatever jobs they had might not be around for quite some time; so looting jewelry and banks would seem necessary to them in order to have something to trade/pay for supplies a few weeks from now. This is one of the problems of modern media and reporting ... cross-pollinating and repeating the same rumour based narratives on 30 different channels/papers ends up transforming those 'stories' into facts. In some cases the stories contain facts ... but often they contain nothing more than re-iterated rumours. Interview with what sounds like a level headed American describing events. Note what he 'heard about' versus what he says he actually saw. (If anyone finds footage/images of armed looters going feral please post up link. It'll be useful learning material) The hotel blocked the road access and put armed guards to protect the hotel, and it got much worse after they left the island - it is not all sunshine and roses. One of the first things the gov did when got in foreign troops was to enforce a curfew and put armed guards on the street corners. If those kinds of actions were not taken then things would of been much worse. Without foreign aid from the west the majority of the island population would not survive. If a storm like that came through post SHTF and there was no assistance -those counties would descend into a hell hole with no respite. And I reiterate ... google 'Caribbean looting' then view images and videos and play 'spot the psycho gun-toting, machete wielding looter'. There are thousands of images showing lots of damage, armed forces and people interacting with military etc. ... none of violent criminals. Those islands can't survive under normal circumstances without their regular procession of supplies. They are over-developed and over populated. Not sure what your point is there. I reckon the main reason all the extra troops flown in is because the rich folks in their tropical getaways got real nervous around the locals and plenty of them are likely tax-dodging high-rollers with good 'connections'. (Foreign intervention/aid not quite so forthcoming for the impoverished Rohingya masses being chased/burned/raped/shot out of Burma. - No rich, well connected people to worry about there.) So far the stories about rampant, violent looting seem to be hear-say and rumors that have self-amplified. So far the many images on display show local folks getting on with the business of surviving. I can clearly remember having a dozen or more local people assert to me that the Pub in a nearby town had burnt down during a severe bushfire here in 2005 ... only to drive past it the next day ... still standing. I agree ... it's far from sunshine and roses. They have plenty of difficulty to overcome. |
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Post by fei on Sept 15, 2017 20:46:32 GMT 10
I heard Trump was now going to build a wall along the east coast of America - should at least keep Jose out!!! Actually looks like Jose may be paying a visit to Washington DC and / or New York sometime next week. Would be interesting to see how those areas prep. In that NY hurricane a few years ago many people didn't prep, thinking instead the cops / national guard etc would be riding to their rescue if anything possibly went wrong. |
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Post by SA Hunter on Sept 15, 2017 21:50:40 GMT 10
It's truly disturbing that millions of people live in these areas where they know there are real risks of hurricanes etc, and every time one comes along, it catches most of them with their pants down!!
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Post by fei on Sept 16, 2017 0:47:05 GMT 10
I was just looking at the latest cyclone / typhoon / hurricane info. There is actually 5 systems in play around north / middle America now, with another hurricane just hooked in behind Jose and heading toward the east coast of the US, two more heading into Mexico and another heading out westwards from Mexico towards Hawaii.
I'm not sure how many times there has been this many systems at play before, or at least not so many in quick succession and so late in the season?
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Post by spatial on Sept 16, 2017 9:34:04 GMT 10
And I reiterate ... google 'Caribbean looting' then view images and videos and play 'spot the psycho gun-toting, machete wielding looter'. There are thousands of images showing lots of damage, armed forces and people interacting with military etc. ... none of violent criminals. Those islands can't survive under normal circumstances without their regular procession of supplies. They are over-developed and over populated. Not sure what your point is there. I reckon the main reason all the extra troops flown in is because the rich folks in their tropical getaways got real nervous around the locals and plenty of them are likely tax-dodging high-rollers with good 'connections'. (Foreign intervention/aid not quite so forthcoming for the impoverished Rohingya masses being chased/burned/raped/shot out of Burma. - No rich, well connected people to worry about there.) So far the stories about rampant, violent looting seem to be hear-say and rumors that have self-amplified. So far the many images on display show local folks getting on with the business of surviving. I can clearly remember having a dozen or more local people assert to me that the Pub in a nearby town had burnt down during a severe bushfire here in 2005 ... only to drive past it the next day ... still standing. I agree ... it's far from sunshine and roses. They have plenty of difficulty to overcome. |
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