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Post by tomatoes on Mar 7, 2021 20:15:52 GMT 10
Does Asian Water Spinach taste like regular annual spinach? Unfamiliar with this plant.... I can’t remember your location, but in my searches for more about water spinach I found that in the US (all or some I’m not sure) it’s classified as a noxious weed and you need a special licence or something to grow it.
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Post by dirtdiva on Mar 8, 2021 0:08:29 GMT 10
Curiosity got the better of me Per Wikipedia about water spinach
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Post by tomatoes on Mar 8, 2021 7:02:56 GMT 10
Curiosity got the better of me Per Wikipedia about water spinach I have to admit that when I hear of a food plant that grows out of control, my first thoughts are that if I plant it once I might have it forever - so a good source if food long term. (But also to be careful of course and put it somewhere contained so it doesn’t cause problems.) I know someone who complains that she can’t get rid of her artichokes - she planted them many years ago and tried to pull them all up every year, but every year gets a beautiful crop. They sound worthwhile to plant from my point of view!
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Post by dirtdiva on Mar 8, 2021 7:41:30 GMT 10
Curiosity got the better of me Per Wikipedia about water spinach I have to admit that when I hear of a food plant that grows out of control, my first thoughts are that if I plant it once I might have it forever - so a good source if food long term. (But also to be careful of course and put it somewhere contained so it doesn’t cause problems.) I know someone who complains that she can’t get rid of her artichokes - she planted them many years ago and tried to pull them all up every year, but every year gets a beautiful crop. They sound worthwhile to plant from my point of view! One gardener's trash is another gardener's treasure I remember when I lived in the Midwest I cursed asparagus. While my family and I adore asparagus the birds planted it everywhere. It became an absolute weed in many of my beds. Seemed I was constantly pulling it but despite that I had a freezer full of it all the time. Many people don't plant mint claiming it invasive since I adore mint tea I planted it anyway. When it gets invasive I turn the chickens loose in it. Problem solved. Lot's of dried mint for tea.
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Post by spinifex on Mar 8, 2021 8:36:28 GMT 10
Where I am water spinach can never get invasive. Far, far too dry. I grow mine in a big plastic tub just so I can keep the soil nice and wet, not to stop it spreading.
I do have asparagus as a weed and used to have mint as a weed too. Tomatoes and potatoes are garden weeds at my place too.
Tomatoes: I planted mine from seed, 6 in a high sided recycling tub (I think there are pictures in this thread). It grows well in summer if you do these things:
Keep the soil very moist and periodically flood. I apply a 3-4 cm layer of water in the tub every 2-3 days. I sprinkle in a handful of urea once a fortnight - it needs heaps of nitrogen and if you don't supply it the plants grow much slower, go paler green and lose their softness. Once a month during the growing season I give it soluable trace elements and some SOA for the sulphur + nitrogen. Any plant that uses lots of nitrogen also needs a good supply of sulphur so it can use that nitrogen to make growth. Without it, it will still show nitrogen deficiency symptoms.
Our mains water naturally has a fair bit of calcium and magnesium dissolved in it ... but in other places a sprinkling of epsom salts mixed with gypsum at the start of the growing season will supply these nutrients: Which it will also use a lot of.
I would avoid growing in tubs using potting mix bought from shops ... that stuff is composted organic matter mixed with sand and it will leach nutrients like crazy. 9 parts fine sand to 1 part Bentonite Kitty litter might work quite well. I only use drift soil in my containers. Perhaps you could find away to get hold of some river silt?
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Post by Joey on Mar 27, 2022 19:56:20 GMT 10
Bump
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Post by spinifex on Jun 19, 2022 17:40:25 GMT 10
New greenhouse we built at the farm we rent. each side panel is a seperate component and the whole thing can be reduced to panels by removing 8 bolts and the roof sheets. Makes it easy to move to a new place when I get around to buying a property again. I'm growing plants in square 20l drums with the tops cut off that I get for free. The soil I put in the drums is really nice drift soil mined from along paddock fence lines. Great combination of water and nutrient holding capacity and still drains well and doesn't hard set. Setting up irrigation for it this week.
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Post by milspec on Jun 19, 2022 19:15:57 GMT 10
@spinifex good job
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Post by iceage on Jun 19, 2022 22:14:30 GMT 10
Looks good but i would pitch that roof slightly if it not already, doesn't look like it from photo.
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Post by spinifex on Jun 20, 2022 15:47:32 GMT 10
The roof is curved. Sheets are bent over a central beam made of 'hat' channel.
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Post by spinifex on Aug 13, 2022 20:32:51 GMT 10
Living in a rental for a while between property purchases.
A bloke still has to garden and make food ... especially when snow peas are selling at $30 a kilo ... thats meat prices for veg.
I'm growing cherry tomatoes in the lounge in front of a north facing window. big pot, wire trellis and some pallet wrap.
The other is my new greenhouse. 3.2m long, 2.4 wide and 1.9m high. Constructed in panels with help from my new partner and bolted together so it can be moved in panels later.
Everything is growing in 20L plastic chem drums with the tops cut out and drain holes drilled in bottom. All tubs filled with drift soil sourced from fencelines in rural area. Already have 2 varieties of slicing tomatoes, snake beans, blue lake climbing beans, butter beans, bullhorn capsicums, herbs, lebanese cucumbers, water spinach and bok choy and butter lettuces. Waiting for swedish and Taiwanese eggplants to emerge ... yum.
The whole thing is designed to be movable even in full growth. Toms, cucs and beans will all be grown in wire cylinders cable tied to the tubs. All tubs set up with drip irrigation.
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Post by Stealth on Aug 14, 2022 12:44:20 GMT 10
That looks fantastic spinifex! Definitely makes me excited and keen to get moving on our growing. With only a few months to go until our move, we have family already splitting off plants that are ready either for propagation or size reduction because they're out-growing their current homes.
We're going to have to build some sort of greenhouse and that looks like a fairly simply and achievable thing based on what you've made. With the help of family members who're far more handy with tools than I am of course haha!
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Post by spinifex on Jan 11, 2023 15:37:27 GMT 10
Its been a while ... time for an update. Click on images to enlarge. The first image is green beans grown in pots. They did ok ... but I wouldn't do it again. Next (moving right) is the greenhouse and pots moved 50km from where it started out. And I've figured out how to get a lot more productivity out of the system. Species that do well in pots in a greenhouse in my location (Eyre Peninsula) and are econimically useful are: Asian eggplants, bullhorn capsicums, cherry tomatoes, lebanese cucumbers, thai basil, sweet basil, lemon thyme and snake beans. I suspect blue lake climbing beans would also be good ... but I had real trouble with my attempt which I put down to the soil I used not suiting them at all. 3rd image is a Rouge de Marmand tomato that I grew from seed. (still at the old location) It went very well in the greenhouse. After the move it lived on the front porch (3rd image from last) propped against the railings for support. It has already produced about a dozen big, delicious fruit and there is a steady stream of green fruit developing size and colour. This one plant produces enough fruit to satisfy all our needs for slicing and dicing (2-3 fruit per week). 4th image is the young snake beans. They are like triffids. I sowed 5 beans in the pot, all came up and took off like rockets. I discovered I had to give them LOTS of fertiliser once they started pod set. Otherwise they show deficiencies. This pot has produced a couple of kilo of beans already. The original growth is dying back, but additions of fertiliser have enabled it to re-shoot vigorously from the lower parts, and it is again setting a new flush of pods. 5th image is one of my tiawanese eggplants. They do Very Well in pots in a greenhouse. Have harvested a few kilo of fruit from them and they just keep setting more. 6th image is cherry tomatoes. They started life in my loungeroom. put them in the greenhouse after the move. The first growth has produced a couple of kilo of fruit and is dying back. New growth and flowers and fruit are being generated from the lower parts so looks like they will produce consistently into Autumn. 7th image is Thai eggplant. Another good performer but not as good a yield as the long purple. 8th image is bullhorn capsicums. These are Very productive. 9th image is a lebanese cucumber. The originals I planted did not do well. I changed the soil in the pot to a lovely red drift soil, mixed lucerne chaff, super and trace elements through it and planted these from seed about a month ago. They are now also trifids. flowering and fruiting like crazy. 10th image is the rouge de Marmande mentioned earlier. Its a winner. 11th image is the Asian water spinach which started out in the greenhouse but left it outside after the move. I harvest a big bunch (400g) every week. The final image is selection of harvested product. Less than a typical days pickings. We eat a lot of asian food so its good to grow our own ingredients ... we never have these varieties in the shops around these parts.
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Post by spinifex on Jan 11, 2023 15:48:54 GMT 10
Some key learnings from my first 6 months doing container gardening: Take the time to make a good 'improved' soil blend with good levels of nutrients and organic matter blended evenly through. I found it very difficult to supply the nutrition the plants needed using top-dressing methods.
Syringe injections of dissolved MAP 10cm deep into the soil does work to correct phosphorus deficiency.
Always put a big pinch of SoA and small one of potassium chloride into the water being applied. It seems that a constant supply of nitrogen is essential to keeping potted plants really happy and healthy.
Cylinder trelises cable tied to big tubs work well to support cucumbers, beans and tall tomatoes.
You can never give water spinach too much water ... or nitrogen supplement.
Always inspect the perimeter of the pots and fill any cracks that develop between the soil and the tub. Those cracks enable water to bypass the soil mass and drain out the bottom of the pots without actually wetting up the soil.
Lucerne chaff mulch on the soil surface makes the plants happier ... but can make checking for previously mentioned soil crack more difficult.
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Post by malewithatail on Jan 11, 2023 17:30:57 GMT 10
Also, the heat treated honey left over from processing the wax, is great for the garden. Dilute with water and just pour on. The bees will eventually p.ss off when they realize there is nothing edible there, just a smell of honey.
The word camera comes from the term camera obscura which means dark room.
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Post by Stealth on Jan 11, 2023 18:36:58 GMT 10
View AttachmentView AttachmentView AttachmentView AttachmentView AttachmentView AttachmentView AttachmentView AttachmentView AttachmentView AttachmentView AttachmentView AttachmentIts been a while ... time for an update. Click on images to enlarge. The first image is green beans grown in pots. They did ok ... but I wouldn't do it again. Next (moving right) is the greenhouse and pots moved 50km from where it started out. And I've figured out how to get a lot more productivity out of the system. Species that do well in pots in a greenhouse in my location (Eyre Peninsula) and are econimically useful are: Asian eggplants, bullhorn capsicums, cherry tomatoes, lebanese cucumbers, thai basil, sweet basil, lemon thyme and snake beans. I suspect blue lake climbing beans would also be good ... but I had real trouble with my attempt which I put down to the soil I used not suiting them at all. 3rd image is a Rouge de Marmand tomato that I grew from seed. (still at the old location) It went very well in the greenhouse. After the move it lived on the front porch (3rd image from last) propped against the railings for support. It has already produced about a dozen big, delicious fruit and there is a steady stream of green fruit developing size and colour. This one plant produces enough fruit to satisfy all our needs for slicing and dicing (2-3 fruit per week). 4th image is the young snake beans. They are like triffids. I sowed 5 beans in the pot, all came up and took off like rockets. I discovered I had to give them LOTS of fertiliser once they started pod set. Otherwise they show deficiencies. This pot has produced a couple of kilo of beans already. The original growth is dying back, but additions of fertiliser have enabled it to re-shoot vigorously from the lower parts, and it is again setting a new flush of pods. 5th image is one of my tiawanese eggplants. They do Very Well in pots in a greenhouse. Have harvested a few kilo of fruit from them and they just keep setting more. 6th image is cherry tomatoes. They started life in my loungeroom. put them in the greenhouse after the move. The first growth has produced a couple of kilo of fruit and is dying back. New growth and flowers and fruit are being generated from the lower parts so looks like they will produce consistently into Autumn. 7th image is Thai eggplant. Another good performer but not as good a yield as the long purple. 8th image is bullhorn capsicums. These are Very productive. 9th image is a lebanese cucumber. The originals I planted did not do well. I changed the soil in the pot to a lovely red drift soil, mixed lucerne chaff, super and trace elements through it and planted these from seed about a month ago. They are now also trifids. flowering and fruiting like crazy. 10th image is the rouge de Marmande mentioned earlier. Its a winner. 11th image is the Asian water spinach which started out in the greenhouse but left it outside after the move. I harvest a big bunch (400g) every week. The final image is selection of harvested product. Less than a typical days pickings. We eat a lot of asian food so its good to grow our own ingredients ... we never have these varieties in the shops around these parts. Love this! Once again, you've motivated me into action. I'd decided not to put too much work into our current garden as we're planning to be out of here in a couple of years, but your efforts have changed my mind. We put in two cut down IBCs with a bunch of manure to compost into the filler that we threw into the bottom. We're ordering a heap of compost shortly to get things moving in them and allow us to plant in a month or two. That gives me a little time to sew seeds to plant out into containers similar to yours. But general large containers might have to happen as well. Sadly our soil is extremely sandy so in-ground beds are unfortunately not going to be a wise move unless we can figure out a way around that. It definitely will mean bringing in a lot of soil to condition it and raised beds would be the best option but we don't want to spend bulk dollars on garden beds that we can't move later on. It's a tricky thing to get around. Sourcing some more IBCs might be our best move.
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Post by ausprep130 on Jan 12, 2023 18:39:38 GMT 10
Living in a rental for a while between property purchases.
A bloke still has to garden and make food ... especially when snow peas are selling at $30 a kilo ... thats meat prices for veg.
I'm growing cherry tomatoes in the lounge in front of a north facing window. big pot, wire trellis and some pallet wrap.
The other is my new greenhouse. 3.2m long, 2.4 wide and 1.9m high. Constructed in panels with help from my new partner and bolted together so it can be moved in panels later.
Everything is growing in 20L plastic chem drums with the tops cut out and drain holes drilled in bottom. All tubs filled with drift soil sourced from fencelines in rural area. Already have 2 varieties of slicing tomatoes, snake beans, blue lake climbing beans, butter beans, bullhorn capsicums, herbs, lebanese cucumbers, water spinach and bok choy and butter lettuces. Waiting for swedish and Taiwanese eggplants to emerge ... yum.
The whole thing is designed to be movable even in full growth. Toms, cucs and beans will all be grown in wire cylinders cable tied to the tubs. All tubs set up with drip irrigation.
Looks great but I can't see a door so how do you get in? Or do you take a panel off when you need to get in?
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Post by spinifex on Jan 14, 2023 8:58:17 GMT 10
One sheet is only screwed on at the top left and bottom left corners and riveted down the left edge onto the adjoining sheet. It peels back easily and is held open with a single gutter bolt and a wingnut. When closed it is held in place with 3 gutter bolts with wingnuts down the right hand edge.
In hot conditions in summer the door is open all the time and I peel back the far edge of roof to enable cross-venting of excess hot air.
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Post by spinifex on Aug 24, 2023 9:36:01 GMT 10
Well ... At my new long-term home I'm having my A$$ handed to me by a new set of growing conditions. I've had really good growth of snow pea plants but the pods are being constantly damaged by light frosts. The frosts are perfectly spaced to damage every new flush of flowers and pod set.
I've installed overhead sprinklers that go off 4 times every night from 2am to 6am but the frosts are still getting to the plants.
I'm now puzzling out a new solution to the winter/early spring conditions here by making frames out of 3/4 inch pvc pipe with clear plastic stretched over them. Basically giant cloches.
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Post by spinifex on Aug 25, 2023 9:04:43 GMT 10
You will need to cover the plants, we have frosts here as well in the Northern Rivers. Fun fact:In Australia, once you give an animal a name, you are required to keep it. The law dictates that you are only allowed to name an animal if you intend to keep it as a pet; you cannot name an animal you intend to eat. What works well for covering? I've heard a few different ideas from locals here but none seem to implement what they talk about. I have seen hessian wrapped around avocado seedlings on a block a couple km up the road. But even that is on an elevated location where frost wouldn't settle so much. Our place is in a low point in the landscape where cold air flows down to.
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