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Post by spatial on Jan 14, 2018 20:01:20 GMT 10
People are really not prepared for emergencies and have no idea how to respond. The so called human error announcement of an incoming ICBM caused mass pandemonium. Is this a gov checking systems and people response or preparing the people... by getting them thinking... Residents "Crying And Screaming" After False "ICBM Threat" Alert Rattles Hawaii;www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-01-13/hawaiians-receive-inbound-ballistic-missile-threat-emergency-alertThe aftermath of the false alert was "crazy," she told NBC Bay Area, and prompted people to run around on the streets "crying and screaming," wondering what to do. "I prayed to God and asked for forgiveness of my sins and for Him to protect us," she said, adding that people are still shaken up. Andy Thammavongsa, who tweeted a screenshot of his phone that showed the time between each alert, lives in Ewa Beach and told NBC in a Twitter message, "Everyone was panicking, the whole island was awake and alert." He added that "there's nothing really you can do honestly" if the alert were real, saying there's "nowhere to take shelter, the island is only so big."
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Post by SA Hunter on Jan 14, 2018 21:13:39 GMT 10
What I thought funny was the Hollywood "stars" coming out on twitter etc blaming Trump for this!!
Hope they don't cry wolf too many times!
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Post by spatial on Jan 15, 2018 10:37:01 GMT 10
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Post by spatial on Jan 15, 2018 20:29:32 GMT 10
I met a native Hawaiian once who told me he did some repair work for the US military in Hawaii, had to go through lots of security checks and they took him to an old warehouse that had a lift that went down 5 stories he said they had tanks and all sorts of arms down there. Also a few rooms full of people working behind PC - they switched off all their computers till he was finished with all repair job and escorted back out.
I think a gov over reaction to Perl harbour. One needs to be aware of good places to go - the drain pipes is one I did not think off...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2018 11:01:02 GMT 10
Sounds like we should just go over the basics.....in the event of a nuclear bomb, drop and cover. Aassuming you survive the initial blast and following shock wave you then have about 20 or 30 minutes before the fall out starts. Once the fall out starts you need to be in a protected area with a minimum of 1.2 meters of soil thickness between you and outside, but any mass you can put between you and the fall out is better than none. You need to stay in the shelter for weeks. Because typical fall out has a short half life, the radiation level would only be 1/125th of what it was on day one after only two weeks but you still need to worry about accumulative exposure. To breath in any fall out dust is a death sentence, so dust protection is required. Radiation works on accumulation and the maximum average exposure should be 5.7 milli sieverts per hour, a shelter reducing exposure to a much lower value would be ideal.
As I mentioned previously geiger counters can be found on ebay at prices under one hundred dollars, if you own one you can work out when it is safe, or not, if you don't own a geiger counter you have lots of guessing to do and may need to listen to radio broadcasts to know when it might be safe to leave your shelter.
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Post by tomatoes on Jan 18, 2018 22:37:43 GMT 10
As I mentioned previously geiger counters can be found on ebay at prices under one hundred dollars, if you own one you can work out when it is safe, or not, if you don't own a geiger counter you have lots of guessing to do and may need to listen to radio broadcasts to know when it might be safe to leave your shelter. I think when you mentioned Geiger counters on eBay before I looked and then delayed making a decision. There are a couple that are around $30, then they jump to a bit over $100, then they are a lot more expensive. Is it likely that the $30 ones would be any use? Has anyone bought one and tested it?
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Post by tomatoes on Jan 19, 2018 23:30:54 GMT 10
I heard a podcast recently (although I’m not sure if the podcast was recorded recently) that I can’t seem to find again now, that had a guy interviewed about nuclear war. One of the things that he mentioned was that a Geiger counter is not much use because they are too sensitive and would be ruined the first time you use them after something like a nuclear explosion if you’re wanting to tell if it is safe. There was a different device that he said was more relevant to that situation, although I can’t recall what it was called.
I’d be interested to hear any thoughts on that.
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Post by spinifex on Jan 20, 2018 19:26:09 GMT 10
Standing ovation for the people who got into the drains. That sure as hell aint panicking. That's the exact opposite: decisive and well reasoned action.
Fortunately Oz is not a target rich place for nuke strikes. The main target here (stated by a few sources as within the top 5 targets on the planet) is Pine Gap, just out of Alice. In a full blown nuke exchange that place would receive many high yield warheads in quick succession.
If Kimmy J wants to hit something odds on it will be a Japanese city. They are large, close and difficult to miss. In that part of the world enmity towards Japan remains high since WW2.
A great learning resource for all things radiation related is the TV series Uranium: Twisting the Dragons tail. Part 3 especially when he goes to Chernobyl and Fukishima. (series has been on SBS twice) I can also recommend a book written in 1982 : The Survival Option - A guide to living through nuclear war. It was prepared by the British Nuclear Protection Advisory Group in 1982 - at the height of fear of nuclear oblivion.
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Post by spinifex on Jan 22, 2018 18:02:18 GMT 10
A post I previously put up on another site that relates to this thread:
The Manual I have is by Ivan Tyrrell. The first part of the book is an interesting comparison of the state of 'civil defence' in different countries (as it was in 1982). Turns out that US propaganda upto that point (and probably persisting to this day) supporting their Mutual Assured Destruction doctrine pretty much back-fired. In 1982 civil defence against nuclear attack was pitiful in US and UK as the majority of public in those countries believed the 'official line' that an all out nuclear war was simply unsurvivable. The leadership believed promoting this opinion was the key to deterrence and expected the commies to believe it. USSR and China (and many other countries) believed no such thing and developed extensive civil defence programs and infrastructure based on hard data and testing. According to Tyrrell large proportions of prepared countries populations would likely survive all out nuclear war.
He points out some interesting things about events within the blast zone in Hiroshima (12.5KT) ... such as after 24 hours all bridges were open to traffic, after 48 hours trains were running, within 9 days telephones were operating. Extensive medical studies showed no increase in cancers in 109 000 survivors and no increase in birth defects in women who conceived after the event.
The rest of the publication is key facts about nuclear weapons and radiation and a 'how to' guide for shelter construction and post attack living.
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Post by fei on Jan 24, 2018 18:55:43 GMT 10
USSR and China (and many other countries) believed no such thing and developed extensive civil defence programs and infrastructure based on hard data and testing. According to Tyrrell large proportions of prepared countries populations would likely survive all out nuclear war. He points out some interesting things about events within the blast zone in Hiroshima (12.5KT) ... such as after 24 hours all bridges were open to traffic, after 48 hours trains were running, within 9 days telephones were operating. Extensive medical studies showed no increase in cancers in 109 000 survivors and no increase in birth defects in women who conceived after the event. All newly built multi-story buildings in China are required by law to have underground bunkers. I took my eldest for a walk through of the blast doors, and explained how the underground carpark in our apartment building is designed to be sealed up with foot-thick doors, showed her the ventilation system, emergency exits etc last weekend. She's probably a bit young to understand as yet, plus I think I may have made her afraid now, but its always good to know these things well before you're ever going to need them.
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Post by spinifex on Jan 24, 2018 19:19:57 GMT 10
The Chinese are well organised. Best that kids have some idea rather than be totally clueless.
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Post by spatial on Jan 25, 2018 14:51:47 GMT 10
I have a few electronic copies of US military survival manuals from the 1980" - they have entire chapters on nuclear survival and how to make different areas safe. They also give recommended exposure time like how many minutes and hours a person can be outside during the first week, second week and months after the detonation.
I was thinking Is should print one or two section and place them in the family emergency paper folder.
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Post by spinifex on Jan 26, 2018 9:27:49 GMT 10
Hey Spatial, are those manuals something that you can post up on this site as an attachment? Or do you have a link to somewhere on the web where they can be found?
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Post by fei on Jan 26, 2018 11:20:01 GMT 10
I watched this the other day. Not sure what reaction would be if this or an updated version were played to school kids these days?
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Post by spatial on Jan 26, 2018 23:42:57 GMT 10
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