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Post by spinifex on Jun 30, 2018 16:11:31 GMT 10
A good number of urban myths and cliches in this one. But some useful food for thought. "It is only a matter of time before civil unrest begins to escalate and spread throughout the country. Many people are wondering, how do you keep your family safe during widespread unrest? It’s not about being fearful. It’s about being prepared. Here’s the pattern: An outrage occurs. Good people react and protest the outrage. Those perpetrating the outrage try to quell the protest because they don’t think that the outrage was actually outrageous. (And whether it was or not can fluctuate – in some cases, force is necessitated, but in more and more cases, it is flagrantly gratuitous.) Others react to the quelling and join the protest. A mob mentality erupts. Thugs say, “Hey, it’s a free for all. I’m gonna get some Doritos and while I’m at it, beat the crap out of some folks for fun.” All hell breaks loose. The military gets called in. The city burns, and neighborhoods get destroyed, and no one in the area is safe. Cops act preemptively, out of fear, and for a time, there is no rule of law. If you happen to be stuck there, know this: you’re completely on your own." www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-06-29/how-survive-civil-unrest-thats-coming-america |
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Post by spatial on Jun 30, 2018 21:48:48 GMT 10
It is good advice, always have a plan it prevents panic and making poor rushed decisions.
Security in Australia is a bit different. only 5% of people have firearms and most of those are in the retired bracket. Most Australians are not familiar with firearms so will just run if one gives a few warnings shots.
After securing the family. I will be out-there with the looters. Civil disobedience is initially directed towards authority and shops - looting. One needs a good understanding of the heard mentality and crowd behaviour and know when to call it quits. Could be a good time to get rid of all the dodgy people in your neighbourhood and assert authority. In times of chaos people look for leaders - rise up and take over the community. All this grey man stuff and hiding in some fox hole with your tail between your legs is silly.
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Post by Peter on Jun 30, 2018 22:39:40 GMT 10
All this grey man stuff and hiding in some fox hole with your tail between your legs is silly. Time & place considerations apply... |
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Post by spinifex on Jul 1, 2018 10:47:12 GMT 10
Security in Australia is a bit different. only 5% of people have firearms and most of those are in the retired bracket. Most Australians are not familiar with firearms so will just run if one gives a few warnings shots. I will be out-there with the looters. Civil disobedience is initially directed towards authority and shops - looting. One needs a good understanding of the heard mentality and crowd behaviour and know when to call it quits. Having experienced a riot as a 'neutral' I can back the idea of getting out and gaining situational awareness. I'd also suggest that gunning up is an ultimate last resort. Once you do that you become the lighting rod and all chance of being a grey man ends; because you'll be the only civvy with a firearm. In the riot I was in I never saw a civvy with a gun for the entire time, injuries were fairly minor, but property damage was substantial (lots of burnt cars especially). Some houses were attacked (no idea why) but no effort at forced entry and the inhabitants left unharmed. I would expect if the occupants had shot a rioter all rioter attention would turn directly onto them and become lethal. When order is restored a shooter will have a lot of explaining to do and need deep pockets for the legal bills. Things I learnt from my little adventure were: Get your car off the street. Have good firefighting preps. Be prepared to patch up the wounded - not just your own. Have some polycarbonate sheets on hand to cover windows. Riots don't always escalate in a linear predictable fashion ... they seem to ebb and flow ... and take days before going highly volatile. The action seems to happen in waves and escalate in evenings. |
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Post by spatial on Jul 1, 2018 18:16:33 GMT 10
Things I learnt from my little adventure were: Get your car off the street. Have good firefighting preps. Be prepared to patch up the wounded - not just your own. Have some polycarbonate sheets on hand to cover windows. Riots don't always escalate in a linear predictable fashion ... they seem to ebb and flow ... and take days before going highly volatile. The action seems to happen in waves and escalate in evenings. Very good advice. Crowd rage and issues at hand is very important. For me the scenario is that the economy has crashed and banks are not operating, people have run out of food and crowds are gathering. Australia has so little security - one does not see them in shops or banks etc.. Police are so few (274 per 100,000) will not even be able to cover more than 10% of shopping centres. Even in the US when riots break out they get troopers in from neighbouring counties and state troopers in. If thing go pear shaped all over rule of law is gone. It will be non violent just walking into the supermarket and taking stuff and walking out - the facility managers will be thinking let them take it - less damage and employees not getting harmed. If it is a violent political riot and demonstrations that get out of hand - then grey man and get out of there. Unless you are also one of the enraged and want to make your presence felt, The other kinds of preps are needed and what family members you take with and those that are to be gathered to a safe space. www.smh.com.au/national/act/act-has-lowest-number-of-police-per-capita-but-we-feel-safest-in-the-country-20180216-h0w6tn.htmlen.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and_dependencies_by_number_of_police_officers |
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Post by spinifex on Jul 2, 2018 18:47:43 GMT 10
Police have lots of semi auto's too and authority to use them ... in the session I was observer to they didn't open fire even when their cars were being burnt and they were boxed into their station under fairly heavy bombardment of bricks, rocks, car parts and such. I suspect they knew the score ... if they started banging away at this mob and killing them (none of whom had guns) the mob would have come back with their own guns, pinned them down and burnt them alive in-situ. The riot seems to be more about blowing off aggression and frustration less about rioters attacking people (other than authority or opposition.)
I thought the officers handled it about as well as could be done.
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Post by feralemma on Jul 3, 2018 12:06:01 GMT 10
*meanwhile* the riot would be done and dusted before we would even hear about it out bush 😂
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Post by spinifex on Jul 3, 2018 16:55:11 GMT 10
Yeah, it might take a month to get a docs appointment or an ultrasound out here in the provinces but we have less rioting ... and plenty of food.
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Post by ml8300 on Jul 4, 2018 0:27:37 GMT 10
How about when shtf, instead of bugging out, how about becoming the leader of the large angry mob?? Having the knowledge/prepper mind set could help convince the mob of your leadership.
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Post by spatial on Jul 4, 2018 5:44:32 GMT 10
How about when shtf, instead of bugging out, how about becoming the leader of the large angry mob?? Having the knowledge/prepper mind set could help convince the mob of your leadership. Yip, high risk high return -the history books are filled with successful people who rose up after chaos. A very interesting article of a town in Mexico that kicked out all its politicians and only have a volunteer militia that keep the place safe and there are no more gangs. A Mexican Town Overthrew Their Local Government And Things Are Going Greatwww.zerohedge.com/news/2018-07-02/mexican-town-overthrew-their-local-government-and-things-are-going-great |
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Post by ml8300 on Jul 4, 2018 23:22:03 GMT 10
Wonder how that would go here in Australia??
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Post by bug on Oct 5, 2019 12:57:37 GMT 10
If it's obvious that this is gonna get bad and stay bad, join the looting. Empty your local supermarket of everything that could possibly be used/traded at a later date. If you are seriously challenged, run. Since it's something you can't really store, I'll be 'borrowing' fresh food so that I don't have to dip into my prep stash until later on. Once I've got what I need, it's time to stay at home, lock the place up and wait it out.
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Post by milspec on Oct 5, 2019 13:39:41 GMT 10
If it's obvious that this is gonna get bad and stay bad, join the looting. Empty your local supermarket of everything that could possibly be used/traded at a later date. If you are seriously challenged, run. Since it's something you can't really store, I'll be 'borrowing' fresh food so that I don't have to dip into my prep stash until later on. Once I've got what I need, it's time to stay at home, lock the place up and wait it out. On the other hand you risk getting taken out or caught up in the mobs at looting time. That time might be better spent fortifying your homestead or stashing some of your own resources for when others come raiding. Or making sure your own people have made it safely to your sanctuary. |
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Post by bug on Oct 5, 2019 14:04:01 GMT 10
If it's obvious that this is gonna get bad and stay bad, join the looting. Empty your local supermarket of everything that could possibly be used/traded at a later date. If you are seriously challenged, run. Since it's something you can't really store, I'll be 'borrowing' fresh food so that I don't have to dip into my prep stash until later on. Once I've got what I need, it's time to stay at home, lock the place up and wait it out. On the other hand you risk getting taken out or caught up in the mobs at looting time. That time might be better spent fortifying your homestead or stashing some of your own resources for when others come raiding. Or making sure your own people have made it safely to your sanctuary. It would depend on what form they take. The LA riots varied between burning everything, to people orderly lining up to safely loot shopping centres. The former, avoid. The latter, join in. |
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Post by fei on Oct 6, 2019 0:42:02 GMT 10
One of my pommy friends was in LA during the Rodney King riots. He reckons he didn't feel in too much danger, despite living in one of the worst affected neighbourhoods; partyly because his place was well stocked up and they didn't need to go out for over a week, bu most importantly they kept in good contact with all the neighbours.
The area he lived in had a lot of Mexicans and other hispanics, many of whom had at least basic military experience, and formed a neighbourhood watch type group that patrolled the area to stop undesirables getting in. My mate doesn't have any military or firearms experience, but he reckons from he saw, the amount of AKs and ammunition going into the neighbourhood in the lead-up to the trial verdict would have been sufficient to invade a small South American nation.
Needless to say, after seeing the way the community had come together, my mate made sure he kept in his neighbours' good books after everything was over! Actually, he told us it ended up being the best place he lived in about seven or eight years in the US --- nowhere near the most upmarket of places, but the sense of community and people looking out for each other made all the difference.
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