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Post by SA Hunter on Jul 18, 2018 23:26:23 GMT 10
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Post by Beno on Jul 19, 2018 0:42:56 GMT 10
some of the comments to that article are very interesting.
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Post by spinifex on Jul 24, 2018 20:26:01 GMT 10
Really good article SA Hunter!
I think the title: 900 day seige should trigger some careful thinking. Many severe hardships involving limited food last well over a year (which seems to be a common goal of food hoarding). I think it's key to come up with renewable food sources to augment hoarded supplies.
Surprised that hunting worms and insects wasn't mentioned. Also boiling starch out of tree bark and roots. I suppose difficult to harvest worms in the winter up in the arctic.
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Post by Peter on Jul 24, 2018 21:39:08 GMT 10
I apologize for repeating something I've mentioned elsewhere, but I once had a discussion with a gentleman who was involved with this siege: he described the desperation in a way I couldn't possibly convey. When a grown man longs for "even a mouse" to pass by so they have something to eat you know the situation is dire.
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Post by grumble on Jul 29, 2018 20:18:56 GMT 10
My father told me of the horrors of living through a war and that the living paid a higher price than the dead sometimes for simply living.
He also told me of the cruelty of the victors and a heart breaking story of how his neighbourhood doctor cooked up a concoction and gave it to parents so they could euthanize their children and give them a swift death in particular their daughters to save them from the horrors that were being unleashed by the victors.
once he had ran out of his potion they resorted to smothering or a bullet and many mothers hung themselves or shot themselves after killing their children
In his own words it was during the so called peace time that the real orgy of death began in earnest
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Post by Peter on Jul 29, 2018 20:45:12 GMT 10
My father evacuated a war zone in WWII as a very young teenager. He watched the invading forces commit truly atrocious crimes against others around him. I'm not going to specifically mention who the perpetrators were, but they were a south-eastern European group who have long been hated by their neighbours... but I imagine that all sides of any conflict have their own forms of evil.
WARNING: DESCRIPTIONS OF VIOLENT ABUSE FOLLOW. Scroll past this to the next post if you don't really need to hear of them. I cannot fathom the pain and suffering these victims went through.
Some of the events my old man has mentioned:
- men being nailed to the side of a barn, in effect they were crucified. A hell of a bad way to go. Some were tortured while nailed there. Others were given the mercy of a bullet...
- hangings & beheadings.
- women being violently gang-raped. Including with objects such as tree branches.
- men being detained and forced to watch their wives, daughters, and sons being raped, gang raped, and otherwise tortured. The thought of this one haunts me to this day...
- disembowelment and abandonment. These people (including youths) were left to die alone having had their abdomens cut open.
- he saw one man being forced to drink petrol or diesel (the description wasn't clear, and I frankly didn't want to push the issue further).
- people being burned alive.
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Post by grumble on Jul 31, 2018 18:35:10 GMT 10
My father evacuated a war zone in WWII as a very young teenager. He watched the invading forces commit truly atrocious crimes against others around him. I'm not going to specifically mention who the perpetrators were, but they were a south-eastern European group who have long been hated by their neighbours... but I imagine that all sides of any conflict have their own forms of evil. WARNING: DESCRIPTIONS OF VIOLENT ABUSE FOLLOW. Scroll past this to the next post if you don't really need to hear of them. I cannot fathom the pain and suffering these victims went through. Some of the events my old man has mentioned: - men being nailed to the side of a barn, in effect they were crucified. A hell of a bad way to go. Some were tortured while nailed there. Others were given the mercy of a bullet... - hangings & beheadings. - women being violently gang-raped. Including with objects such as tree branches. - men being detained and forced to watch their wives, daughters, and sons being raped, gang raped, and otherwise tortured. The thought of this one haunts me to this day... - disembowelment and abandonment. These people (including youths) were left to die alone having had their abdomens cut open. - he saw one man being forced to drink petrol or diesel (the description wasn't clear, and I frankly didn't want to push the issue further). - people being burned alive. seems our elders came from the same part of the world My father did mention all the males from 15 to 70 or looked remotely like they could fight being lined up in the street and bayoneted then left to die
there were plenty of things that did you leave you questioning the versions of history we hear I did ask him what stuck out the most of it all to him there were several that in his words that will follow him to the grave
the one that got me was about how my aunt went completely insane from shellshock that was a tragic event basically as a 14 year old girl she was tributed to for shooting down 4 bombers with her AA gun crew and in the heat of battle the gun emplacement next to hers was hit by an incendiary bomb burning the crew alive the gun emplacement next to her on the other side of her who were just young boys as well tried to run but were cut down by a HE bomb so she stayed a fought and fired while the world burned around her and kept her gun running until there was no more ammunition left In the morning an officer came to their house to get his mother to try and help them get her off the gun well to let go of the gun basically as my dad put it she wasn't his sister any more just a broken shell of a little girl that was deaf and bleeding from the ears with eyes that stared through everyone like they were invisible and all the time still screaming at her incinerated crew for more ammo while reefing franticly on the triggers sadly none of her crew survived but she was totally unaware of this fact mercifully she passed away a few days later I could never imagine what it would be like to witness a family member let alone a sibling suffer such extreme trauma that it completely broke them
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Post by feralemma on Aug 16, 2018 14:09:23 GMT 10
Following on from this, I'm not sure how many here are on any of the Australian Fb prepper pages and saw the post, but someone posted a first hand account of the siege of Sarajevo (Bosnia, 92-96). This siege lasted nearly 4 years and once again thousands and thousands died due to starvation, sickness and at the hands of their neighbours.
While we personally are preppers of the homesteading variety some of what was said is still relevant to us. What I took from it was:
*Numbers. Bigger groups have a far greater chance of survival than individuals and tiny groups. Yes this means more food needed but also more means of getting and guarding that food.
*Skills. Having the ability to do something that is physically useful (could be a paramedic, could be a horticulturist) means you can trade for items. Being able to hack a computer or do 200x80kg reps at the gym are not really that useful in those sort of situation where your skills can get you stuff in return.
* Bullets. As many as you can store. And of course the guns needed to fire them. Even better if you can get hold of unregistered ones so the gov can't take them.
*Items of trade. Small items that can be traded for small things in return. As many as you can store. And alcohol, lighters and bullets were at the top of his list....apart from food. Trade is something I've never been a big fan of due to the risks it can pose in terms of exposure, but done away from home and with small items it is workable.
*Stockpile essentials big time. This includes plastic bags, disinfectant, soap, medical supplies etc etc. If you think you have enough stuff stored you don't.
* Fuel. In a siege situation fuel is impossible to get. Generators that run on fuel are pointless. Yes there will be no power, you'll have to live without it rather than generate it unless you have direct solar or wind power. And having that generator is all well and good, but having 1000 bic lighters is far better.
*Water. Obviously clean water is an essential to life. Those that don't have rainwater tanks really need them. Or even some plastic 200L drums to start with. Especially in this country where it can go months without raining.
*Food. For those that aren't growing any of what they eat start now. Lol seeing spinifex' garden posts has already kicked my butt into gear in getting my garden beds sorted and producing again.
I know we all know this stuff, it's the basics of prepping, but sometimes it doesn't hurt to go back over it and be reminded of it!
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Post by feralemma on Aug 16, 2018 14:26:51 GMT 10
And I forgot the most important point 😂😂
That the government was telling the population that everything was ok, that nothing like a siege would happen, right up to the point where it was actually happening and it was too late for them to get out. Don't trust the government to do what is right by its people, they don't give a fook about the general population.
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Post by Pion on Aug 30, 2018 18:23:21 GMT 10
And I forgot the most important point 😂😂 That the government was telling the population that everything was ok, that nothing like a siege would happen, right up to the point where it was actually happening and it was too late for them to get out. Don't trust the government to do what is right by its people, they don't give a @#$% about the general population. That applies in any country where people can/could come under 'rule' by way of invasion or internal political machination (think Nazi Germany, think Zimbarbwe)...in other words where there are people there will be nefarious people who would control them...does Antartica have people? Hmmm... As for war...in any continent...at any point in world history...there will be those that will enjoy the slipping of the moral leash...hell we have criminals that revel in that in peace time so why not in war?... It doesnt make it right but I think one of the crinks in the armour of the western nations is that we constantly try to 'legalise' war...e.g. a country requiring UN mandate before itll commit troops to a conflict, whether that conflict is morally right in which to get involved... In fact I have a simpler example of the 'legalisation' of war...in Timor in 2000 NZ troops (and probably the Ausbatt forces too) came under intense UN scrutiny after some moralistic media reporter informed them that the field units were deploying Claymore mines in defense of night patrol harbours and in ambush positions...I still recall my Colonel on the phone to the NZ PM at 5am in the morning calmly stating that if we couldnt defend ourselves by even basic tools of war (Claymore mines) he would personally recommend our immediate withdrawl from the deployment and stand down from his role...faced with a strong showing the PM (Helen Clarke - like her or hate her) rang the UN Director General and basically said 'it aint happening'...we soldiered on and Timor is a free state... In fact one final example: We had an LSO (Legal Services Officer, a lawyer), a Major no less, attached to our Battalion HQ...what the f*ck do you want a lawyer in a warzone for? Personally he'd have been the first to have been nailed to the barn door in the country of Pion! W*nker almost cost me my slot on the trip but thats a whole other story! Lol... |
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