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Post by SA Hunter on Jul 31, 2018 23:34:44 GMT 10
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Post by feralemma on Aug 2, 2018 14:32:28 GMT 10
Surely the scientists researching this would have used information and records from all previous years, rather than selecting specific time periods to base their calculations and hypothesis on. This makes their "shocking" results inaccurate and not very believable.
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Post by spatial on Aug 2, 2018 17:19:21 GMT 10
Australia has less than 230 years of recorded weather data. It is way to short to determine what are historic maxim.
It is true that weather patterns are changing the big question is it due to global warming or cooling. The sun is going into a grand minimum and geological we are in an inter-glacial ice age period. As things get cooler and there is more energy transfer around the planet storms and weather phenomenon like the jet streams move further south or north depending in which hemisphere is being referenced. It is likely that storms can get worse and historically they may of been much worse than what has been previously experienced in Australia.
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Post by Peter on Aug 2, 2018 20:01:00 GMT 10
I'd also like to see details of changing monitoring technologies, and positioning of monitoring equipment. For example, I once had one joker from greenpeace (or some other such bunch of morons) tell me that global warming was proved in his home town in India... it turned out that the concrete rooftop in which the latest temperature measurements were taken is hotter than the shaded jungle floor nearby where previous monitoring was done...
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Post by spinifex on Aug 2, 2018 20:32:25 GMT 10
Thanks Pete ... that gave me a good laugh. I have an applied science degree ... and I cringe at the way 'data' and 'statistics' are constantly abused in the pursuit of marketing and policy propaganda. What's passed off as scientific fact these days is often highly influenced by the global corporations that fund the studies.
I wonder what it cost them to prove that a concrete roof is a hotter location than the jungle floor?
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Post by Peter on Aug 2, 2018 21:39:14 GMT 10
I wonder what it cost them to prove that a concrete roof is a hotter location than the jungle floor? No doubt there was a government grant that covered the cost... |
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Post by feralemma on Aug 3, 2018 11:15:20 GMT 10
Australia has less than 230 years of recorded weather data. It is way to short to determine what are historic maxim. It is true that weather patterns are changing the big question is it due to global warming or cooling. The sun is going into a grand minimum and geological we are in an inter-glacial ice age period. As things get cooler and there is more energy transfer around the planet storms and weather phenomenon like the jet streams move further south or north depending in which hemisphere is being referenced. It is likely that storms can get worse and historically they may of been much worse than what has been previously experienced in Australia. They didnt even use the whole 230 years of data to base their studies on, only data from 1966-1989 and 2000-2013! |
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Post by spatial on Aug 3, 2018 15:53:52 GMT 10
Australia has less than 230 years of recorded weather data. It is way to short to determine what are historic maxim. It is true that weather patterns are changing the big question is it due to global warming or cooling. The sun is going into a grand minimum and geological we are in an inter-glacial ice age period. As things get cooler and there is more energy transfer around the planet storms and weather phenomenon like the jet streams move further south or north depending in which hemisphere is being referenced. It is likely that storms can get worse and historically they may of been much worse than what has been previously experienced in Australia. They didnt even use the whole 230 years of data to base their studies on, only data from 1966-1989 and 2000-2013! Yeah, cherry picking data has become standard practice since Global warming was changed to climate change., and all their predictions failed. |
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Post by spinifex on Aug 3, 2018 18:31:32 GMT 10
I wonder what it cost them to prove that a concrete roof is a hotter location than the jungle floor? No doubt there was a government grant that covered the cost... Which is to say they took money from us in taxes and gave it to these incompetent fools to waste. I've always maintained that our tax system should be managed to some degree by we the people allocating what we pay into the portfolios of our choice at tax return time. Votable taxes as it were. In this era of 'Apps' for everything it wouldn't be hard to set up. |
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Post by bce1 on Aug 4, 2018 13:38:33 GMT 10
I appreciate there is a wide variation in views around this and my opinion is probably not going to change anyone else's, but the single thing I am most anxious from a preparedness perspective is accelerated climate change. We could get hot, we could get cold, it could be anthropogenic or it could be a natural cycle but things are getting wilder and more extreme.
I was fairly ambivalent about until I started doing some medical business continuity work for a couple of big businesses. After a few months doing that work, working with some very credible individuals I am genuinely shitting myself about the next 20 years.
I don't think the science is particularly equivocal - I cannot speak on it from a position of being an expert - but what I can say is what is being published is consistent and in reputable peer reviewed journals.
We will see who is right in a few years ;-)
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Post by tomatoes on Aug 4, 2018 13:44:56 GMT 10
I appreciate there is a wide variation in views around this and my opinion is probably not going to change anyone else's, but the single thing I am most anxious from a preparedness perspective is accelerated climate change. We could get hot, we could get cold, it could be anthropogenic or it could be a natural cycle but things are getting wilder and more extreme. I was fairly ambivalent about until I started doing some medical business continuity work for a couple of big businesses. After a few months doing that work, working with some very credible individuals I am genuinely shitting myself about the next 20 years. I don't think the science is particularly equivocal - I cannot speak on it from a position of being an expert - but what I can say is what is being published is consistent and in reputable peer reviewed journals. We will see who is right in a few years ;-) BCE, In light of potential changes to our environment from climate change, have you looked into where you believe the best areas to live in Australia would be - just generally? Eg distance above sea level, distance from coast, how far north, etc?? And are there any preparations that you have made specifically related to possible impacts? |
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Post by bce1 on Aug 4, 2018 14:06:04 GMT 10
So Im in NZ, but the biggest bit of business continuity work I have done they selected north and inland from Sydney at about 500m about sea level - I would have thought the location for their business continuity centre would be at risk of fire - but the area around it was was clear and mostly grass and shrubs and was told it wasn't a big consideration - good clearance and mostly concrete.
Personally Im 15km from the coast at 220m about sea level with a big orchard / garden and plenty of reserve water - to the point I have stopped talking about it as friends think the amount in storage is ridiculous.
Its hard to imagine given its our location in NZ we will have prolonged dry spells beyond 6 months - but it is possible and we have enough water for subsistence gardening, ourselves and small amount of stock for a couple of years with rationing. But if we are getting to that point in my part of NZ the world will be completely screwed !!
Im trying really hard not to be inappropriately paranoid about this, but have genuinely had the fear of god put up me based on this work. If an Australian based multi-national is spending many millions on climate change business continuity I think we should at least be paying attention. I genuinely think bad things are a foot and it will happen in my lifetime, but Im also paranoid about 'peak everything' as well so maybe I am just over the top !!!
My wife and I have built a a property which will be more robust than most but the problem might potentially be others wanting it.......
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Post by tomatoes on Aug 8, 2018 8:49:56 GMT 10
So Im in NZ, but the biggest bit of business continuity work I have done they selected north and inland from Sydney at about 500m about sea level - I would have thought the location for their business continuity centre would be at risk of fire - but the area around it was was clear and mostly grass and shrubs and was told it wasn't a big consideration - good clearance and mostly concrete. Personally Im 15km from the coast at 220m about sea level with a big orchard / garden and plenty of reserve water - to the point I have stopped talking about it as friends think the amount in storage is ridiculous. Its hard to imagine given its our location in NZ we will have prolonged dry spells beyond 6 months - but it is possible and we have enough water for subsistence gardening, ourselves and small amount of stock for a couple of years with rationing. But if we are getting to that point in my part of NZ the world will be completely screwed !! Im trying really hard not to be inappropriately paranoid about this, but have genuinely had the fear of god put up me based on this work. If an Australian based multi-national is spending many millions on climate change business continuity I think we should at least be paying attention. I genuinely think bad things are a foot and it will happen in my lifetime, but Im also paranoid about 'peak everything' as well so maybe I am just over the top .... BCE Thanks for your detailed reply. I’ve been thinking over the 500m above sea level bit. Do you think they actually wanted to be that high, or it’s just how it turned out due to other requirements such as distance from the coast (which could include height but also potential for storms etc)? I’m very interested in the criteria that people/businesses use to decide what a safe area will be in the future. |
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Post by bce1 on Aug 9, 2018 12:20:16 GMT 10
I wasn't privy to all the conversations because I was only doing one aspect and the location was set before I became involved.
But it seemed to be a all-hazards approach to the location - natural and manmade risks. Climate change was big consideration but they are earthquake proof too !!
What scared me the most was how this company was in part setting up a data warehouse so they didn't loose track of what they owned and who owes them money - you can run but you cant hide !!!
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