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Post by bce1 on Aug 31, 2018 11:28:30 GMT 10
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Post by bce1 on Aug 31, 2018 11:31:11 GMT 10
More depressing are some comments that only SW WA and Tasmania will be liveable in 50 years.
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Post by spinifex on Aug 31, 2018 14:40:15 GMT 10
I've just got back from a visit to some very familiar arid country up in the Northern Flinders Ranges where I used to work in the 90's. There are stands of mulga trees that I remember as living (although not in healthy condition) ... now dead and bleached. At first I thought a fire must have killed them many years ago ... but when I asked the owners of the property they said there hadn't been enough ground cover to carry a fire since the 70's. The country in question is dryer and more dead looking than it was 20 years ago and even river red gums in many of the smaller creeks are dying/dead. Some long term change due to rainfall deficit is definitely happening in that area. But I wouldn't worry too much. Aboriginal people managed to stick it out during the much, much, much drier and winder times 15 000 years ago without any technology beyond stone age tools to assist them. I'm sure we'll figure it out as we go ... albeit perhaps with some loss of population density along the way.  |
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Post by bce1 on Aug 31, 2018 17:45:56 GMT 10
But I wouldn't worry too much. Aboriginal people managed to stick it out during the much, much, much drier and winder times 15 000 years ago without any technology beyond stone age tools to assist them. I'm sure we'll figure it out as we go ... albeit perhaps with some loss of population density along the way. Very true. They provide a fascinating case study in true austere and inhospitable living - anyone living in Australia should be paying attention to their historic practices and clan structures - the understanding of the natural world, but also human interaction and genetics ( even if they didn’t call it genetics) is pretty amazing - just a shame white man, alcohol, ganja and porn have screwed it all up. As a case study in a stable primitive society they are impressive up to the 18th century. They are in part why I don’t take much stock in the near term human extinction lot. i can quite happily accept a major collapse and huge population reduction - but. short of a major change in atmospheric gas composition (which is possible - just very very very unlikely) or a massive comet landing on us we are pretty resistant as a species. |
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Post by SA Hunter on Aug 31, 2018 20:35:38 GMT 10
Got a family friend who has a large property on the Hawker - Leigh creek Road - they've had a little bit of rain, but atm they are over run with roos. They went spotlighting after getting a permit - ran out of bullets before they ran out of roos.
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Post by spinifex on Aug 31, 2018 20:36:39 GMT 10
Another good reason to be very cautious about 'fracking'. In a much more arid future we will really need that subterranean water in the best possible condition. Also a good reason to develop seawater desalination using renewable energy on a large scale. No matter what the climate does there will always be oceans, wind and sun. Making widespread use of those three resources, in conjunction with durable controlled climate greenhouses will be important in the future. The problem may be in the cost effective manufacture and long term maintenance of such high tech methods of fresh water and food production. Sundrop Farms facility at pt Augusta (SA) produces 15 000 tons on tomatoes a year with sea water and solar. www.weeklytimesnow.com.au/agribusiness/decisionag/sundrop-farms-mixture-of-sunlight-and-seawater-leading-the-way/news-story/8928aff10d54c5d9a56024e72a6c0377 |
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Post by fei on Sept 5, 2018 17:30:54 GMT 10
More depressing are some comments that only SW WA and Tasmania will be liveable in 50 years. One of the reasons the Tassie real estate market is doing so well? I was looking at a place around an hour's drive from Hobart a few years back. Beautiful house with a few acres of land, going for around $500k. Now similar places are minimum $750k. Then again, maybe also due to the amount of boomers retiring there for the cheaper cost of living. |
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Post by grumble on Sept 5, 2018 19:03:28 GMT 10
More depressing are some comments that only SW WA and Tasmania will be liveable in 50 years. One of the reasons the Tassie real estate market is doing so well? I was looking at a place around an hour's drive from Hobart a few years back. Beautiful house with a few acres of land, going for around $500k. Now similar places are minimum $750k. Then again, maybe also due to the amount of boomers retiring there for the cheaper cost of living. I don't know where people get the idea of cheaper costs of living in tas the place suffers from island mentality and things are not cheap my brother lives in them idle of no where in QLD and he can still buy his fuel cheaper than I can |
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Post by fei on Sept 5, 2018 20:19:21 GMT 10
One of the reasons the Tassie real estate market is doing so well? I was looking at a place around an hour's drive from Hobart a few years back. Beautiful house with a few acres of land, going for around $500k. Now similar places are minimum $750k. Then again, maybe also due to the amount of boomers retiring there for the cheaper cost of living. I don't know where people get the idea of cheaper costs of living in tas the place suffers from island mentality and things are not cheap my brother lives in them idle of no where in QLD and he can still buy his fuel cheaper than I can OK, good to know! I'm also wondering where would be the best areas from a self-sufficiency point of view. Not so much being sufficient in food and other resources myself / own family, but more in terms of a region that can support itself. ie. Wouldn't want to bug out to an area that maybe had a lot of one resource, but would have to rely on barter or trade for all other resources. |
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Post by spinifex on Sept 6, 2018 19:27:13 GMT 10
Apart from rural areas being generally more capable of self sufficiency than urban centres ... I don't think any one place is more advantageous than any other. Prior to 1940's most country towns in Oz had to be pretty self sufficient in most respects. There are virtual ghost towns in regional SA where one can still see the former buildings for flour mills, metal fabrication workshops, saddlery, bakeries etc. Yet those places still had to transport things like textiles, tobacco, tools, ammunition, sugar, tea and coffee from the far flung reaches of the commonwealth.
I personally want to live in a wine growing region for the long haul into the austere future.
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