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Post by SA Hunter on Oct 28, 2018 19:46:52 GMT 10
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Post by jonasparker on Oct 29, 2018 4:07:16 GMT 10
Is America headed for a new civil war?
In a word, "yes"! Actually, we've been in a "cold" civil war for some time. I expect it to go "hot" in the next few weeks with:
1. the results of the mid-term elections and the failure of the leftists to gain control of much of anything on the federal level, and
2. The arrival of 10,000 to 20,000 "migrants", mostly male and young, on our southern border. And yes, these invaders, who already turned down an offer of asylum from Mexico, will be met with armed US Regular troops, NOT unarmed National Guard troops!
FWIW, the "bombs" sent out by the 50+ year old nutcase, who was living in his van because his parents had thrown him out of their house, were pure Hollywood and could not have exploded unless they were wrapped in dynamite. The van was papered with pro-Trump stickers which seem to have been newly applied since the sun in Florida bleaches out printing ink quite quickly. In other words, this was another "false flag".
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Post by SA Hunter on Oct 29, 2018 10:28:10 GMT 10
Is America headed for a new civil war? In a word, "yes"! Actually, we've been in a "cold" civil war for some time. I expect it to go "hot" in the next few weeks with: 1. the results of the mid-term elections and the failure of the leftists to gain control of much of anything on the federal level, and 2. The arrival of 10,000 to 20,000 "migrants", mostly male and young, on our southern border. And yes, these invaders, who already turned down an offer of asylum from Mexico, will be met with armed US Regular troops, NOT unarmed National Guard troops! FWIW, the "bombs" sent out by the 50+ year old nutcase, who was living in his van because his parents had thrown him out of their house, were pure Hollywood and could not have exploded unless they were wrapped in dynamite. The van was papered with pro-Trump stickers which seem to have been newly applied since the sun in Florida bleaches out printing ink quite quickly. In other words, this was another "false flag". I did wonder when I heard it if this was genuine - very convenient to have this happen. Maybe Dems clutching at straws? Dunno!I did wonder if it went to a "civil war", what would happen - there are no drawn out areas, like the North V South, I wonder will it just be more civil unrest that the media will hype up as the Left defending themselves from the Right? |
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Post by Joey on Oct 29, 2018 18:49:43 GMT 10
It doesn't help when you've got people like George Soros stoking the flames of hatred by directly funding the extreme left groups that go out and cause the violence and anarchy on the streets. Antifa, BLM, etc are all funded by Soros, with rumours that any member of antics in the US that gets arrested after a violent event gets paid a wage from Soros while they are in prison. www.renewamerica.com/columns/miles/170430 |
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Post by jonasparker on Oct 30, 2018 3:25:21 GMT 10
The general consensus is the result will be the "Balkinization" of the United States. Look for states to secede from the union.
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Post by grumble on Oct 30, 2018 16:14:13 GMT 10
The biggest concern I have with a second civil war in the US is how will the Federal be able to maintain control of all their WMDs deployed all over the world and on their home soil its very foreseeable that if the US drops the ball for a brief period of time due to domestic struggle that smaller states that looked to the US for protection will quickly jump to the other team and any US assets deployed there could be lost to either hostile states or groups
If your a European country with a boarder with another major power that is growing stronger then its in your nations best interest to look to others for security and cooperation
Imagine seeing the news where its says California has nuked DC that would make for an interesting day
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Post by rojblake on Oct 30, 2018 18:40:31 GMT 10
Hello I stumbled upon this thread and this forum in one of my broad searches for articles and figured I would answer this question. BTW I'm an American (naturalized not born) and live in the US, but I grew up in Australia a long time ago.
The answer depends quite a bit on how you define civil war, if it's two large armed camps fighting each other over territory I would say no the US is not heading in that direction, at least not in the short term. In fact that scenario is really only likely if the Democrats hold power in the Federal Government and go crazy (well more crazy than they already have). I say this because the Democrats couldn't hope to win such a war without controlling the power of the State, so no matter how angry and crazy they are now even they know they can't win such a direct confrontation. The Republican/conservative side wishes to restore rule of law and civilization so they're not going to start a big physical conflict like that to begin with, and especially not when when they feel there's this new hope with Trump of restoring the rule of law.
No what is already happening and will likely intensify is the Democrats/Socialist/Globalists creating chaos, destabilizing the country, eroding the rule of law, and subverting the opposition. If they can create enough chaos and enough misery, and successfully attribute blame to their enemies they can hope to formulate a solution to the broad public that requires putting them back in power. It's not working atm because of independent media, and a lot of people no longer trusting state and corporate media. Which again is why you see this constant assault on independent media and any free thinking voices (both right and left) that manage to get traction. But these people will never give up so it's going to go on and get a lot worse before it gets better.
America's divide is often falsely portrayed and understood to be along state lines, and for Federal electoral purposes this is largely true, but otherwise it is not. Democrats dominate in the cities, and Republicans dominate in the rural areas and small towns, with the suburbs being more mixed. A small town in New York or California can be overwhelmingly Republican/Conservative, the State capitals and other big cities in states like Texas can be overwhelmingly Democrat/Socialist. So to think of potential conflict it's not so simple as a map of Red and Blue states. It would be way more messy than that, and as preppers I'm sure you see the disadvantage for the side being concentrated in big cities.
So what do I think will happen in the short term. A huge amount of chaos, riots, violence, false flags attacks, and likely some real organic ones, all concentrated in cities or urban areas more generally controlled by Democrats. All of which will be greatly magnified by the state and corporate media here and abroad. Ultimately this portion of what is to come won't directly affect me in a small town America in a deep red (Republican) state, and certainly not you in Australia. But it will be used as excuses to take peoples rights away, I don't think it will succeed here, but you know well in Australia it will be "look what's happening in America, we need to do X, ban Y so it doesn't happen here" type arguments. And of course things will be bad for Americans living in these Democrat run areas.
While left wing terrorist groups may see a resurgence, street fights get more frequent and nastier, the real meaningful fight will remain in the lawfare, cultural, an information arena for some time I think. It looks like the Trump administration is taking the security of the Southern border seriously, which is good because if that collapsed completely things could get really bad fast, the violence in parts of Mexico is very very bad, it could be argued to be a failed state already. The real danger I believe for Americans and Australians in the near term isn't a physical civil war here, but a failed monetary system. US dollar hegemony is going away and with it the US government's capacity to spend like money is as common as dirt will end. If there isn't a orderly transition to whatever the new system will be life for many could get real hard very quickly. Then such a situation can itself be a catalyst to other calamities like war be it civil or between nation states... which are often followed by famines and epidemics. We live in very unstable and dangerous times, but I really do think there's more chance things work out well in the end than they don't.
Anyway I've rambled on long enough.. much love to you all in Australia.. and especially QLDs.
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Post by Pion on Oct 30, 2018 20:38:39 GMT 10
I salute you on the thought and effort that went into that 'gospel according to...' lol
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Post by SA Hunter on Oct 30, 2018 21:24:53 GMT 10
G'day rojblake, welcome to Ausprep.
If you get a chance, please go to the "Introduce Yourself" thread, and tell us a little more about yourself.
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Post by spinifex on Oct 31, 2018 17:44:51 GMT 10
"it will be used as excuses to take peoples rights away, I don't think it will succeed here, but you know well in Australia it will be "look what's happening in America, we need to do X, ban Y so it doesn't happen here" type arguments."
Yep! That is almost a certainty.
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Post by SA Hunter on Nov 5, 2018 22:57:20 GMT 10
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Post by jonasparker on Nov 6, 2018 3:50:54 GMT 10
No, this split has nothing to do with the usual Russian psy-ops crap. We're pretty used to that. This split is between the ordinary, self-supporting folks who want to work, support their families, and be left alone and the big-city socialists who want to tell everyone how to live, talk and think. Throw in the big city "gibsmedats" looking for a free ride on someone else's dime, and the "normals" (ie: deplorables) are pretty sick of things the way they were. When the inevitable split comes, it will be messy.
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Post by SA Hunter on Nov 6, 2018 11:27:04 GMT 10
Guess we will see what happens after the mid terms.
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Post by jonasparker on Nov 8, 2018 4:45:39 GMT 10
Well, the liberals took over the House of Representatives last night. Look for two years of mayhem!
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