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Post by spinifex on Nov 15, 2018 17:48:33 GMT 10
"3rdly the front tanker didn't reverse in blind panic"
There was clearly panic in the front truck. If there wasn't it wouldn't have smashed into the vehicle behind it. It may also explain how they not hear the horn on the rear truck trying to alert them? Listen to the tone of the voices.
Agreed. It's a pressure situation and mistakes are made.
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Post by spinifex on Nov 15, 2018 18:02:44 GMT 10
"its easy to judge but what would you do if your life preservation system had failed and you had your crews lives in your hands sit in the open and burn or try and get them under the other trucks sprinklers?"
The trucks have fire blankets and heat shielding that provide more protection than the sprinklers. Especially in high winds where much of the water is blown away.
I know a few people who have survived burnovers on a day like that on open grass/cereal stubble in just farm utes.
My specific point remains: Fires are scary ... even the professionals freak out. Don't Underestimate them.
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Post by SA Hunter on Nov 15, 2018 18:50:31 GMT 10
"its easy to judge but what would you do if your life preservation system had failed and you had your crews lives in your hands sit in the open and burn or try and get them under the other trucks sprinklers?" The trucks have fire blankets and heat shielding that provide more protection than the sprinklers. Especially in high winds where much of the water is blown away. I know a few people who have survived burnovers on a day like that on open grass/cereal stubble in just farm utes. My specific point remains: Fires are scary ... even the professionals freak out. Don't Underestimate them.Last point is spot on - they are scary, and can never be underestimated. |
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Post by spinifex on Nov 15, 2018 19:06:21 GMT 10
For comparison. This is an outstanding crew who know their stuff. Surprised by a full bore, tree fueled inferno ... and calmly execute the drill.
This is what we should aspire to be like under pressure and facing risk. But ... that's easier said than done and only comes through practice drills and exposure to hazards.
Go to the 2min mark.
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Post by grumble on Nov 15, 2018 22:06:35 GMT 10
" 3rdly the front tanker didn't reverse in blind panic" There was clearly panic in the front truck. If there wasn't it wouldn't have smashed into the vehicle behind it. It may also explain how they not hear the horn on the rear truck trying to alert them? Listen to the tone of the voices. Agreed. It's a pressure situation and mistakes are made. 3 long hoots of your tankers horn is the last warning of burn over so the front tanker probably did hear the horn
Now depending on which S.O.P they are operating under they would of been trained to get under another trucks water on the leeward side of the fire impact but that other car the police unit messed with the programme mind you I don't blame them id be getting my ass under there pretty quick as well
The actual report on the fires and the loss of the tankers on the day is quite a good read a lot of the problems were communication and new equipment installation 'for a price 'that failed on a bright note those two trucks went on to keep fighting the fires and later saved a couple of farms so it all end up ok
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Post by spatial on Nov 17, 2018 5:35:59 GMT 10
Economic prediction is now that we are ripe for flash crashes, as everything is interwoven in globalisation. www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-11-16/one-bank-flashing-red-warning-crash-dead-ahead"Fast forward to now when what appeared to be somewhat orderly sequential blow ups have mutated into wholesale market panics in which everything starts to go wrong at once, or as Bloomberg describes it "everywhere you look, something’s blowing up."
In commodities, it’s the record plunge in oil. In equities, it’s six weeks of turbulence in the S&P 500. Debt markets have been rattled by the turmoil engulfing General Electric and PG&E. Bitcoin just plunged 13 percent. And Goldman Sachs, the storied investment bank, is having the worst week since 2016.
As Bloomberg correctly notes, by themselves these sudden asset air pockets would be enough to incite panic, "but have them erupt all around and even the most grizzled Wall Street types can start to sound paranoid. Does GE have something to do with Goldman? How does Bitcoin sway the stock market? Wildfires have nothing to do with crude’s convulsions, but both are bad news for banks." |
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Post by spatial on Nov 17, 2018 11:31:40 GMT 10
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Post by Peter on Nov 18, 2018 10:01:51 GMT 10
I've heard some idiot politicians spew forth utter crap in my day, but this guy takes it to a whole new level... |
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