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Post by spinifex on Nov 21, 2018 19:44:42 GMT 10
www.zdnet.com/article/dutton-leans-on-encryption-laws-committee-to-hurry-up/Why is our government so illogical in its application of 'Public Safety'? Terrorist activity accounts for about 1 death per year in Oz ... a few more get injured. Therefore the guv needs to be able to spy on people easier - no matter the cost to personal data security? THAT'S the priority for keeping us clueless citz safe from the big bad world? An Australian Burden of Disease study estimated that smoking caused a total of 18,762 deaths in 2011. Lord knows how many more are debilitated and require health care. It costs us all a fortune in medicare bills. But somehow its sale and use remain fully legal. I'm not a doctor or smoker of anything but I suspect cannabis is healthier than tobacco. Modern cars are sold to an incompetent public with top speeds in excess of 200kph ... we hear about high speed police chases every day on the morning news. But ... there is apparently no need to legislate for all new cars to be fitted with mandatory performance governing systems limiting them to 120kph max. An estimated 5,785 Australians aged 15 and over died from alcohol-attributable causes in 2015. It's still freely available and we're all enjoying it - bugger it I want to die of something enjoyable. For goodness sake Sharks kill and maim more Aussies than terrorists. And bees kill and maim more people than sharks. 10 Australians die with another 100 people injured annually due to lightning strikes ... meaning God and/or the clouds are more harmful to us than the men with dark beards and funny sounding names. Is anyone else getting really tired of Government over-reach dressed up as 'safety' while genuinely large health and safety issues are conveniently overlooked? Why the hell isn't the Guv running a massive campaign to put up lightning rods everywhere to 'protect' us? We must be nearing the point of mandatory RFID implants in every resident of Oz so we can be traced like livestock and 'managed' for our own 'safety'.
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Post by Beno on Nov 21, 2018 20:16:45 GMT 10
my biggest concern is that we (.gov) already know who the bad guys are but seem powerless to do anything to prevent them from doing harm. so essentially the government is willingly or at least knowingly putting us in harms way by not doing anything other than monitoring them. Now they want to monitor me and everyone else to save me from the bad guys they know are already bad...crikey.
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Post by jonasparker on Nov 22, 2018 5:13:42 GMT 10
When push comes to shove, a generator for "one-time" code pads can be downloaded to your computer and printed out before the SHTF. These are absolutely unbreakable if used properly.
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Post by Joey on Nov 22, 2018 19:37:48 GMT 10
my biggest concern is that we (.gov) already know who the bad guys are but seem powerless to do anything to prevent them from doing harm. so essentially the government is willingly or at least knowingly putting us in harms way by not doing anything other than monitoring them. Now they want to monitor me and everyone else to save me from the bad guys they know are already bad...crikey. A lot of that will be to do with either ongoing investigations to ensure enough solid evidence to make it so they don't get a slap on the wrist and walk out with a good behavior bond or they are watching them trying to find out who the big boys are calling the shots so they can go after them.
The reason that smokes/alcohol/fast cars are not banned is because the government earns billions annually out of each of them.
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Post by spinifex on Nov 23, 2018 17:37:16 GMT 10
my biggest concern is that we (.gov) already know who the bad guys are but seem powerless to do anything to prevent them from doing harm. so essentially the government is willingly or at least knowingly putting us in harms way by not doing anything other than monitoring them. Now they want to monitor me and everyone else to save me from the bad guys they know are already bad...crikey. A lot of that will be to do with either ongoing investigations to ensure enough solid evidence to make it so they don't get a slap on the wrist and walk out with a good behavior bond or they are watching them trying to find out who the big boys are calling the shots so they can go after them.
The reason that smokes/alcohol/fast cars are not banned is because the government earns billions annually out of each of them.
I suspect it's also about power and influence. Soon as Cannabis Corporation gets formed as a subsidiary of Bayer AG with JP Morgan as major shareholder ... weed will suddenly become legal and freely available because the powerful individuals running those companies will forcefully lobby government to change the laws to suit their business interests. Guv will love it because, it too, will generate a lot of tax for them. Of course, growing weed at home will remain illegal for 'safety reasons' or require expensive permits.
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Post by grumble on Nov 23, 2018 18:40:08 GMT 10
I completely agree with spinifex I find it slightly absurd that so many laws get put in place to keep us safe yet a clearly visible double standard is at play
So all these laws in place to prevent the bad guys from harming us however 18000 Australians die each year in our medical system from 'erroneous' events in fact each time you go to hospital there is a 16% chance you will die from an erroneous event and this is a catch all term used to cover everything from ill intent to wrong medications to accidents during surgery and yet more and more money is diverted from the health system to protect us from the bad guys
another good example of this double standard is if an industrial company made a paint stripper that had the chance to cause kidney and liver disease or cancer it would be banned and removed from the market yet Tabaco and alcohol is still out there and it does both of those things
public safety is a nice way of saying total control
Most people don't even realise that the whole keeping the community safe spin on gun control only started in the late 70's because the government kind of worked out the argument of the red peril would no longer work
its interesting to know that pistols where the 1st firearms banned in Australia then amended to be available again but heavily regulated then it was much later automatic firearms an sub machine guns were banned the motives and reasoning behind this was not public safety but because pistols and sub machine guns were the preferred weapons of the communist insurgents in Europe and Asia for lunching attacks on government officials and facilities so yeah the 1st gun laws were all about maintaining control and protecting themselves not public safety and I suspect many other laws are the same
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Post by Beno on Nov 23, 2018 18:58:33 GMT 10
my biggest concern is that we (.gov) already know who the bad guys are but seem powerless to do anything to prevent them from doing harm. so essentially the government is willingly or at least knowingly putting us in harms way by not doing anything other than monitoring them. Now they want to monitor me and everyone else to save me from the bad guys they know are already bad...crikey. A lot of that will be to do with either ongoing investigations to ensure enough solid evidence to make it so they don't get a slap on the wrist and walk out with a good behavior bond or they are watching them trying to find out who the big boys are calling the shots so they can go after them.
The reason that smokes/alcohol/fast cars are not banned is because the government earns billions annually out of each of them.
That sounds about right. Too bad if that person being investigated jumps the gun and kills people first. The news has suggested that the gov could deport dual citizens back to their other country of origin if convicted of terrorism offences. The stateless citizen issue could be averted by sending a convicted terrorist back to their grandparents country of origin...interesting.
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Post by Pion on Nov 24, 2018 12:24:07 GMT 10
When push comes to shove, a generator for "one-time" code pads can be downloaded to your computer and printed out before the SHTF. These are absolutely unbreakable if used properly. Or a book code...use the St James bible e.g. (it has no other use for me...)...
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Post by Pion on Nov 24, 2018 12:50:33 GMT 10
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