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Post by SA Hunter on Mar 18, 2019 20:00:25 GMT 10
Quail are small fowl that exist in the wild but can also be raised in a backyard cage. Unlike chickens, most city ordinances don’t restrict or outlaw raising quail. They are quiet, small, even-tempered birds that can produce about five to six eggs per week. Make sure you raise them in sanitary conditions with plenty of light, water and food. www.wikihow.com/Raise-Quail
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Post by spinifex on Mar 19, 2019 19:43:45 GMT 10
There are some good places around lower EP to trap them in quantity. Used to trap them as a kid and loved eating them ... although a bit fiddly with small bones.
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Post by raptor on Feb 17, 2021 20:37:52 GMT 10
I gunna engage in some thread necromancy and breathe life into a dead thread rather than start a new one.
Today I entered into a verbal agreement to buy 10 3week old jap quail and 2 dozen fertile eggs. *sigh* What can I say? I once said I would NEVER own birds or animals who couldn't reproduce on their own. Yeah, never say never in this instance.
You see my council states I can't own a rooster. There's no council by-laws about owning ducks. I can own ducks and I have 12 khaki campbells and the females are LOUD. Seriously, seriously LOUD. The free loading duck-ups (as I call them) eat a lot. In the time it takes 12 chickens to eat 2 kgs of food the ducks have ripped through a 10 ltr buckets worth - 1.5 days.. 12 chickens will drink 10 lts of water every 4 days depending on temp. 12 ducks go through 20 + litres of water every damned day. After so many months of pouring expensive food and water down their necks I am only now starting to get 1 ONE egg a day. Excuse me while I try to curb my unbridled excitement. I wanted Khaki campbell ducks because when it's really hot chickens go off the lay. When it's "winter" the chickens moult and go off the lay. I wanted something that could cope with the weather and fill the egg gaps. Also I wanted a good source of fat. Fat is the one thing that is extremely difficult to produce on a small homestead. I know I am going to have to seriously cull my duck numbers to make them viable. In a SHTF situation ducks are not an ideal small livestock because of the sheer amount of resources the use unless they are kept in a small breeding group and their eggs are put under a broody hen to hatch out for the purpose of harvesting fat and meat as a secondary by-product.
I live in Queensland and so rabbits aren't an option so I tried the next best thing...guinea pigs. Female guinea pigs in my area run at $20 each. Males can be picked up for around $10. Their gestation is LONG. 62 days. Number of young can range from 1 to 4. But here's the thing, in my climate guinea pigs are very fragile creatures. They cope with a cooler temps well but we have a lot more hot months than we do cool. Guinea pigs suffer greatly during the sweltering summer. They fall over dead from heat stroke and it's too cruel to breed the female in summer because they abort from the stress and then die.
Back to quail. This, like all other attempts is an experiment to see what works in my climate and in my context. I have two incubators and the drive at the moment is to buy a 12volt model that can be run off my solar system.
It;s one thing to grandstand and say something is a good idea. It's another to actually field test it and see if it works in reality.
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Post by spinifex on Feb 18, 2021 17:12:57 GMT 10
I gunna engage in some thread necromancy and breathe life into a dead thread rather than start a new one. Today I entered into a verbal agreement to buy 10 3week old jap quail and 2 dozen fertile eggs. *sigh* What can I say? I once said I would NEVER own birds or animals who couldn't reproduce on their own. Yeah, never say never in this instance. You see my council states I can't own a rooster. There's no council by-laws about owning ducks. I can own ducks and I have 12 khaki campbells and the females are LOUD. Seriously, seriously LOUD. The free loading duck-ups (as I call them) eat a lot. In the time it takes 12 chickens to eat 2 kgs of food the ducks have ripped through a 10 ltr buckets worth - 1.5 days.. 12 chickens will drink 10 lts of water every 4 days depending on temp. 12 ducks go through 20 + litres of water every damned day. After so many months of pouring expensive food and water down their necks I am only now starting to get 1 ONE egg a day. Excuse me while I try to curb my unbridled excitement. I wanted Khaki campbell ducks because when it's really hot chickens go off the lay. When it's "winter" the chickens moult and go off the lay. I wanted something that could cope with the weather and fill the egg gaps. Also I wanted a good source of fat. Fat is the one thing that is extremely difficult to produce on a small homestead. I know I am going to have to seriously cull my duck numbers to make them viable. In a SHTF situation ducks are not an ideal small livestock because of the sheer amount of resources the use unless they are kept in a small breeding group and their eggs are put under a broody hen to hatch out for the purpose of harvesting fat and meat as a secondary by-product. I live in Queensland and so rabbits aren't an option so I tried the next best thing...guinea pigs. Female guinea pigs in my area run at $20 each. Males can be picked up for around $10. Their gestation is LONG. 62 days. Number of young can range from 1 to 4. But here's the thing, in my climate guinea pigs are very fragile creatures. They cope with a cooler temps well but we have a lot more hot months than we do cool. Guinea pigs suffer greatly during the sweltering summer. They fall over dead from heat stroke and it's too cruel to breed the female in summer because they abort from the stress and then die. Back to quail. This, like all other attempts is an experiment to see what works in my climate and in my context. I have two incubators and the drive at the moment is to buy a 12volt model that can be run off my solar system. It;s one thing to grandstand and say something is a good idea. It's another to actually field test it and see if it works in reality. I wonder if there is a legal loophole to male chicken ownership? Does the law apply to Cockerels? Be interesting to see what the wording is and whether its a bendy law. Although I live rural and don't have laws like that to contend with ...yet ... "quietness" is an important factor in selecting which lucky male from any given generation goes on to be a breeding rooster for the next. Perhaps after enough generations I might be able to introduce "crow-less" stealth chickens onto the market! Are there any laws against you owning geese?
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Post by dirtdiva on Feb 19, 2021 2:22:23 GMT 10
Before retiring to the mountains my husband and I owned a farm in the Midwest US. One of our cash crops was game birds. The Japanese quail that you are talking about I think we call coturnix quail. We raised them strictly pretty well for their eggs. They lay young and we pickled the eggs in a vinegar with jalapeno peppers and other spices and sold them to the local bars and taverns to be served with beer. We found that the best way to hatch and raise them small scale was under banty/bantum chickens. Snakes were an issue and you had to really prepare your pens to snake proof them as much as possible. They loved those little baby quail. The coturnix also don't eat much and require less space. Here is an excellent article that may help: www.motherearthnews.com/homesteading-and-livestock/coturnix-quail-zmaz81sozrawWe also raised Northern bobwhite quail (native) which we kept in large flight pens and sold to hunters for training bird dogs and we sold to game farm owners who released them for hunters on paid hunts. These require a special license to raise in the US. If you want a good game bird for meat the best eating there is of the game birds is the chukar partridge. This may be a better fit to your climate as they are native to the Middle East and southern Asia, the Chukar was brought as a game bird to North America, where it has thrived in some arid regions of the west. From late summer to early spring, Chukars travel in coveys, but they may be hard to see as they range through the brush of steep desert canyons. They become more conspicuous in spring, when the harsh cackling chuk chuk chukar of the territorial males echoes from the rocky cliffs. They are more heat tolerant and more related to a pheasant or grouse. They have naturalized now in the hotter more arid portions of the western US. For us this was a much easier bird to raise and maintain than the quail. Their meat was very similar to the cornish game hens raised commercially. Good Luck DD
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Post by feralemma on Feb 19, 2021 15:39:57 GMT 10
I gunna engage in some thread necromancy and breathe life into a dead thread rather than start a new one. Today I entered into a verbal agreement to buy 10 3week old jap quail and 2 dozen fertile eggs. *sigh* What can I say? I once said I would NEVER own birds or animals who couldn't reproduce on their own. Yeah, never say never in this instance. You see my council states I can't own a rooster. There's no council by-laws about owning ducks. I can own ducks and I have 12 khaki campbells and the females are LOUD. Seriously, seriously LOUD. The free loading duck-ups (as I call them) eat a lot. In the time it takes 12 chickens to eat 2 kgs of food the ducks have ripped through a 10 ltr buckets worth - 1.5 days.. 12 chickens will drink 10 lts of water every 4 days depending on temp. 12 ducks go through 20 + litres of water every damned day. After so many months of pouring expensive food and water down their necks I am only now starting to get 1 ONE egg a day. Excuse me while I try to curb my unbridled excitement. I wanted Khaki campbell ducks because when it's really hot chickens go off the lay. When it's "winter" the chickens moult and go off the lay. I wanted something that could cope with the weather and fill the egg gaps. Also I wanted a good source of fat. Fat is the one thing that is extremely difficult to produce on a small homestead. I know I am going to have to seriously cull my duck numbers to make them viable. In a SHTF situation ducks are not an ideal small livestock because of the sheer amount of resources the use unless they are kept in a small breeding group and their eggs are put under a broody hen to hatch out for the purpose of harvesting fat and meat as a secondary by-product. I live in Queensland and so rabbits aren't an option so I tried the next best thing...guinea pigs. Female guinea pigs in my area run at $20 each. Males can be picked up for around $10. Their gestation is LONG. 62 days. Number of young can range from 1 to 4. But here's the thing, in my climate guinea pigs are very fragile creatures. They cope with a cooler temps well but we have a lot more hot months than we do cool. Guinea pigs suffer greatly during the sweltering summer. They fall over dead from heat stroke and it's too cruel to breed the female in summer because they abort from the stress and then die. Back to quail. This, like all other attempts is an experiment to see what works in my climate and in my context. I have two incubators and the drive at the moment is to buy a 12volt model that can be run off my solar system. It;s one thing to grandstand and say something is a good idea. It's another to actually field test it and see if it works in reality. You have the wrong type of ducks 😉 Muscoveys are quiet, lay brilliantly, are good meat birds and excellent mothers. You can buy grain by the tonne to make feeding them cheaper but yes they are messy, dirty, smelly and require lots of water! Jumbo quail are great for meat, not the best sitters or parents tho but an Australorp hen is very good substitute for an incubator.....and will savage anything that goes near her babies. Remember the quail chicks require very high protein feed as they grow so quickly do need game bird starter rather than the standard chick starter. Guinea pig babies are too cute to eat 🤣
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Post by raptor on Feb 20, 2021 18:05:01 GMT 10
I did a short 4 and a half hour turn and burn to pick up my quail and fertile eggs and the dude was really nice.
He threw in two extra quail and a extra dozen fertile eggs for free.
I'll be separating the quail into two lots. I can see that there are larger ones in the group and I'll put them in their own cage to see if they really are larger and not older than the smaller ones. With the larger ones removed group the smaller ones won't get bullied and will have better access to food and water.
This dude knows his stuff. Each and every egg was individually wrapped and more importantly it was placed in the carton rounded side up. Perfect. I've got the incubator heating up and I'll set the eggs tomorrow.
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Post by Tim Horton on Feb 21, 2021 3:38:59 GMT 10
I worked with a guy maybe 40 years ago who said his mother raised quail.. Bobwhite I think.. Her saying they converted less feed in a shorter time to more bird than any other option.. Never knew how she sold birds or eggs and such, but it was in a way she didn't need a license of any kind.. at that time..
They seemed quite the fad at the time as table meat.. Problem is you end up with a cooked bird the size of a...... quail....
I know someone now who raises exotic hair sheep.. Texas Dahl, Rocky Mountain Painted something or another and one more kind.. There seems a significant market for lambs, and ewes.. Rams sell to private hunt clubs for a pretty steep price..
Any kind of sheep here are an instant bear magnet..
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Post by dirtdiva on Feb 21, 2021 11:45:56 GMT 10
I worked with a guy maybe 40 years ago who said his mother raised quail.. Bobwhite I think.. Her saying they converted less feed in a shorter time to more bird than any other option.. Never knew how she sold birds or eggs and such, but it was in a way she didn't need a license of any kind.. at that time.. They seemed quite the fad at the time as table meat.. Problem is you end up with a cooked bird the size of a...... quail.... I know someone now who raises exotic hair sheep.. Texas Dahl, Rocky Mountain Painted something or another and one more kind.. There seems a significant market for lambs, and ewes.. Rams sell to private hunt clubs for a pretty steep price.. Any kind of sheep here are an instant bear magnet.. We raised whatever we could sell that paid the bills. It is hard anymore to make a living off a small holding but I think for most one spouse works while the other works the land. We sold vegetables that went to farmers markets in the city 2 hours away. We raised game birds, chickens, turkeys, guineas, pigs and goats. Had a substantial orchard. As we cleared the land we sold firewood. Lots of hickory that went to restaurants in the city for smoking meat. Occasionally we leased out a deer hunt or two. Couple stocked ponds for fresh fish. It was remote enough and my Vietnam era husband was coming out of the military. A good place for him to come to grip with his demons and ease back into civilian life. Raised and educated 5 kids off that little 72 acre farm. No bear there though. Bobcat, deer, coyote, fox an occasional mountain lion and various game bird populations and rattlesnakes. And lots of snow.
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Post by Tim Horton on Feb 23, 2021 13:10:37 GMT 10
No bear there though. Bobcat, deer, coyote, fox an occasional mountain lion and various game bird populations and rattlesnakes. And lots of snow. +++ Unfortunately... We do have the bears and occasional wolf.. No rattlesnakes is that trade off I guess. - - - - - A good place for him to come to grip with his demons and ease back into civilian life. +++ Unfortunately, even after all this time, the demons are too close to the surface once in a great while...
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Post by raptor on Feb 24, 2021 13:00:04 GMT 10
I split the quail into two groups - smaller and larger and wow the physically larger quail are going great guns.
I didn't realize just how much their behavior is like meat chickens. They eat, drink, sleep and poop with no noise at all. Most times they prefer to lay down to eat and even nap with their head in the feeder. When I first saw them sleeping full stretch I thought they were dead! Nope. Just comfy and getting ready for the next gorge.
The 3 dozen eggs I have in the incubator are ok I guess. It's an el'cheapo Chinese knock off from ebay so yeah, I won't count my quail before they hatch. I have a week and a half to think about organizing housing for any that do hatch. I won't allow myself to even speculate how many might hatch becuse it's been hotter than the surface of the sun lately. I picked a really crappy time of the year to set eggs.
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Post by raptor on Feb 26, 2021 19:23:38 GMT 10
Largest quail in the "large" pen at 4 weeks ...if the supplier is to believed about age at time of purchase, is 125 grams.
The def. of a Jumbo quail is it reaches 10 ounces at 10 weeks. That's approx 275 grams and change...give or take.
I def got screwed around in their protein requirements. I've been feeding ground up pig grower pellets that have a protein percentage of 16%. Not nearly enough. Bugger. Because I'm fairly remote my produce trader doesn't sell game bird starter but does sell turkey starter crumbles which has a protein level of 32%. Awesome. Perfect for quail from newly hatched to 6 to 8 weeks where they have off the charts nutrition requirements. BUT it can't be fed to birds that are going to producing meat or eggs. Yeah,,,it has a withholding period. Turkey grower, which they DO have is 20% protein and a higher calcium content has no withholding period is perfect for breeding and grow out stock. All turkey feed is at least 30 to 50% dearer than chicken food.
I am looking into growing a large colony of Zophobas morio.....Super mealworms. Protein levels are 48%. Fat levels are much the same. They're VERY easy to grow and breed. Quail love them and so there is no wastage. The biggest issue is keeping the bran mites out of the bran or pollard you use as a grow media for the mealworms. I got around that issue by wiping out the bins with pure white vinegar and allowing it to dry naturally out in the sun and microwaving the bran or pollard until it was HOT to kill off any mites and eggs that may be living in the media. You can recycle the media by sifting it to remove the dust and microwaving it again to kill off any mite build up.
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Post by dirtdiva on Feb 26, 2021 22:06:11 GMT 10
Largest quail in the "large" pen at 4 weeks ...if the supplier is to believed about age at time of purchase, is 125 grams. The def. of a Jumbo quail is it reaches 10 ounces at 10 weeks. That's approx 275 grams and change...give or take. I def got screwed around in their protein requirements. I've been feeding ground up pig grower pellets that have a protein percentage of 16%. Not nearly enough. Bugger. Because I'm fairly remote my produce trader doesn't sell game bird starter but does sell turkey starter crumbles which has a protein level of 32%. Awesome. Perfect for quail from newly hatched to 6 to 8 weeks where they have off the charts nutrition requirements. BUT it can't be fed to birds that are going to producing meat or eggs. Yeah,,,it has a withholding period. Turkey grower, which they DO have is 20% protein and a higher calcium content has no withholding period is perfect for breeding and grow out stock. All turkey feed is at least 30 to 50% dearer than chicken food. I am looking into growing a large colony of Zophobas morio.....Super mealworms. Protein levels are 48%. Fat levels are much the same. They're VERY easy to grow and breed. Quail love them and so there is no wastage. The biggest issue is keeping the bran mites out of the bran or pollard you use as a grow media for the mealworms. I got around that issue by wiping out the bins with pure white vinegar and allowing it to dry naturally out in the sun and microwaving the bran or pollard until it was HOT to kill off any mites and eggs that may be living in the media. You can recycle the media by sifting it to remove the dust and microwaving it again to kill off any mite build up. Just a warning about the high protein if I remember correctly you have ducks too. You do not want to give your ducks that high of protein as it causes a condition called angelwing and meal worms in moderation also. The condition looks like this :
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Post by SA Hunter on Mar 24, 2021 20:52:40 GMT 10
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