Beno
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Post by Beno on May 18, 2019 7:58:42 GMT 10
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spatial
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Post by spatial on Mar 28, 2023 19:09:51 GMT 10
Just came across a 3 part series on preppers by ABC.. very different backgrounds, not the normal heavey bias..
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Post by SA Hunter on Mar 29, 2023 19:39:13 GMT 10
Interesting videos.
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Post by rosebud on Mar 30, 2023 11:33:45 GMT 10
"Urbanisation has largely removed the need to get our hands dirty — yet there is an almost primal desire to embrace the materiality of things."
This is from the first link. I definitely feel the "primal desire to embrace the materiality of things". It might have something to do with growing up on a farm, or it might be even deeper.
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Post by malewithatail on Mar 30, 2023 16:51:46 GMT 10
"Urbanisation has largely removed the need to get our hands dirty — yet there is an almost primal desire to embrace the materiality of things." This is from the first link. I definitely feel the "primal desire to embrace the materiality of things". It might have something to do with growing up on a farm, or it might be even deeper. It goes deeper than that rosebud. More and more people are waking up to the deteriorating ways of society. We see it out here with a farm coming on the market, and sold 3 days later at the price asked. Yet try and sell a house in town.......
And switch off now if you wish, but I think Christians are being 'told' spiritually, to get out of town before TSHTF completely.
Yes, there is a 'drive' pushing us to get more independent from the system.
The sky is ready to fall.
"Do not fear the collapse, for it is necessary to dismantle the evil cabal"
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Post by rosebud on Mar 30, 2023 17:10:30 GMT 10
I may have misintepreted that. What I meant was that my primal desire is to get back to basics i.e. the natural world, and leave the urban world behind.
I also think that Christians need to keep their spiritual eyes and ears open and not get caught with their oil lamps empty.
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Post by tactile on Apr 4, 2023 9:08:06 GMT 10
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Post by frostbite on Apr 4, 2023 15:32:17 GMT 10
I have a lot of empathy for the anti vax movement, but these sovereign citizens are clueless. Without some form of law and order (in a form that doesn’t unduly restrict basic human rights), there would be anarchy and most sovereign citizens (in fact, most everyone) would be compost or someone’s housemaid pretty quickly. |
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Post by tactile on Apr 4, 2023 15:34:14 GMT 10
There is a bit of info in that article from the establishment side if you want to read between the lines...I found it quite interesting.
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Post by spatial on Apr 9, 2023 9:08:20 GMT 10
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Post by Stealth on Apr 9, 2023 10:35:56 GMT 10
That guy's a Cooker. I'm not a fan. Putting it extremely politely.
His own behaviour just in that vid alone shows that he's really a man without a plan (prospecting for gold when SHTF? REALLY? THAT's your idea of being prepared?) but a quick squiz of his FB page shows that a while back he was in Canberra with the Cooker clan. He's not someone I would pick as a good representative of the Australian prepper community. I mean, the guy was trying to sell his truck AND HIS DOGS off as a combined sale because "Life is taking me on a new journey which neither the truck or dogs can join me on."
I'm not really a dog person. But I DO know that you can judge a person on how they treat pets. Pets are family, not saleable commodities. Seems he's travelling without family (FB says he's single) and I suspect that there's a reason for that. It can be very hard to be prepping-minded and not have your partner on board if you're not doing it logically and with rational thought. There comes a point where something has to give and if you're not providing them with sound judgement it's not going to be your preps that go. I'd never wish ill-will or a broken relationship on anyone. Particularly when there's kids involved. But sometimes we have to look at what we're doing from the outside and say "Does this make sense for EVERYONE in my family" and adjust what you're doing on the answer.
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Post by malewithatail on Apr 9, 2023 11:31:50 GMT 10
Any 'real' prepper, the type of person who is doing the self sufficiency thing in an orderly manner, with their family/wife/partner etc behind them, would be unlikely to want to participate in such a show.
Rather like a person who would be a good representative in Parliament, would not likely put themselves up for election.
Appropriate tagline........
The way to tell if a politician is lying is to watch their lips. if they move, they are lying
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Post by spatial on Apr 10, 2023 15:03:30 GMT 10
That guy's a Cooker. I'm not a fan. Putting it extremely politely. Had to look up what that meant in Urban dictionary.. I just post these things as they are relevant to the Aus prepper community. Prepping does not require a person to have a different life style, unless it become obsessive. I have many friends with hobbies like fishing, collecting dinky cars, musical instruments. all sorts of weird things that take up a lot of time and money. Prepping can be seen just as a hobby with real world usefulness. It should not impact relationships. What also got me riled up was both presents in the today show, multiple times made the remarks:: where is your bugout location, what is your number, I am coming to stay with you when the world comes to an end. It is a very immature outlook and in no way encouraging the viewers to be more prepared. |
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Post by frostbite on Apr 10, 2023 15:30:55 GMT 10
I’ll put my hand up and admit I was in discussion for months with a producer from 60 Minutes about doing a segment on preppers around the time of Covid lockdown.
I was asked to participate and had the backing and guidance of some senior police, so I had no legal concerns. The police in question were closet preppers and were keen to present a more ‘normal’ face to aussie preppers. The producer said they were keen to proceed and discussions were fairly advanced and then they lost interest, perhaps because I was too normal and not interesting enough for their viewers (no weapons, no camo, no gas masks was a condition I put on participation).
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Post by Stealth on Apr 10, 2023 16:04:30 GMT 10
I checked Urban Dictionary for the description... Amusingly a Cooker has clearly gotten hold of writing a description and other Cookers have joined in the club on upvoting it, because the first description is 'people who believe mrna vaccines work'. The next one that relates is that Cookers are 'anti-vaxxers'.
Interestingly, the way that 'Cooker' is used in Canberra isn't really what either description is. Really it's more like a group of people with far-right conservative views who gather in large mobs to shout at the locals that they're sheeple and to 'wake up'. They're anti-vax, anti-establishment, anti-authority, anti-social... Any 'anti' that you can come up with. But unlike people who like to think for themselves and formulate ideas based on what they learn, Cookers are entirely militant about it. To the degree that they'd frequently start fist fights in bars with the locals because they get angry about being told to keep their views to themselves when folks just want a beer at the end of the week.
Essentially the attitude was, if you didn't want to hear about their views you shouldn't be around them. "Your type isn't welcome here" but THEY were the ones that came into OUR town and started shutting down arterial roads with their stupid convoys when there was absolutely no government individuals in town at the time to disrupt.
It's only anecdotal, but the only time I ever saw a queue outside of my closest Centrelink in Canberra was when the Cookers were in town. And believe me, there's a seedy underbelly of the lower socioeconomic groups in the ACT that the government neatly sweeps under the rug. The offices are large enough to deal with the general population of students, under-employed, unemployed and disadvantaged in the city. They weren't prepared for the influx of people who were claiming services who'd come in from out of town.
In other words, Cookers go about intentionally starting fights because they felt emboldened by being surrounded by their 'peers' for the first time where they were able to express their views without fear of recrimination, all the while relying on the benefits provided to them by the social services that working individuals pay for through taxes and even donations. If you didn't do those things, you weren't a Cooker.
We were well-versed in protestors and protest behaviour in the ACT. Most folks looked at it as a mild inconvenience but absolutely something people were entitled to. Cookers were the one group the whole of the ACT (privileged and disadvantaged alike) looked at and thought "Can you please go home already?!" 😂.
I'm so glad I don't live anywhere near that mess anymore!
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Post by Stealth on Apr 10, 2023 16:18:33 GMT 10
I’ll put my hand up and admit I was in discussion for months with a producer from 60 Minutes about doing a segment on preppers around the time of Covid lockdown. I was asked to participate and had the backing and guidance of some senior police, so I had no legal concerns. The police in question were closet preppers and were keen to present a more ‘normal’ face to aussie preppers. The producer said they were keen to proceed and discussions were fairly advanced and then they lost interest, perhaps because I was too normal and not interesting enough for their viewers (no weapons, no camo, no gas masks was a condition I put on participation). It's disappointing that they lost interest. We really do need more people who're able to present the normal face of Aussie prepping. But I suspect you're right. 'Normal' doesn't sell and isn't a sexy story because of shock and awe. And it really is tough to get someone to open up on their normal preps. I know I wouldn't do it so I don't judge anyone else that won't either. But the reality is that without people who do get out into the public on it, it's a tough sell to show others that it's really not that out there. This forum probably helps a bit. I don't know how many more there are like it that are similar because I haven't gone looking in a long time. But there's a reason my participation levels here are quite high and it's mostly to do with the fact that we are, for the most part, a group of relatively 'normal' people. There's very little drama and hyperbole, and mostly good advice and smart suggestions. It's a winning combination imo. |
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