strop2: The numbers in Vietnam are still around 20 for the virus but most other gov'ts are hiding numbers due to tourism, and exporting. I expect cover ups to stop shortly and we will see how bad it is.
Feb 12, 2020 12:34:36 GMT 10
strop2: To China - where a scientist said that the coronavirus came from a meteor. The Coronavirus known as SARS came out of China in 2003, surely he could have fact checked his own statement...….
Feb 12, 2020 12:36:40 GMT 10
strop2: I just contacted HCMC - trying to get an exemption not to travel (airports and Planes are a cesspool of germs) and was told that people are now buying out food items at Supermarkets. These are all the nightmares coming true, I go shopping later today....
Feb 12, 2020 12:39:54 GMT 10
strop2: More local news - Vinh Phuc has 9 virus cases, 54 suspected and another 249 being watched and have set up a 300 bed field hospital. Vietnam is always very quick to act in a crisis.
Feb 12, 2020 15:58:02 GMT 10
SA Hunter: Seems to be well contained here in Oz - depends on what report you believe as to the severity of the virus.
Feb 12, 2020 22:22:48 GMT 10
strop2: I saw Australian news today that a diplomatic Peter Dutton ref China and still denying Chinese Students to enter Australia - a great response from Australia to contain the virus even with the number of Chinese visitors who had already entered.
Feb 14, 2020 10:24:14 GMT 10
strop2: China's economy and reputation are taking a huge hit - countries need to be strong. I think we are all wanting to know what the truth is and need everyone to be honest about this virus. All economies are taking a hit, buy local as much as you can.
Feb 14, 2020 10:28:32 GMT 10
strop2: Life goes on, I have harvested my latest rice crop 1,300kg 4 days ago (2,200sqm rice land), have lots of fruit trees at various stages of growth (4,000sqm of x rice land), 6 x boxes of noodles, water treatment filter, extra fuel for generator and 4 geese.
Feb 14, 2020 10:37:29 GMT 10
strop2: I can upgrade security at my Mekong House at anytime but currently Vietnam has had a great response to the virus. As long as people do the right thing and don't bypass the systems in place.
Feb 14, 2020 10:50:04 GMT 10
SA Hunter: Hi all - back from a weekend at the bol. More roofing supports built. Slowly getting there. Drove away feeling like I was finally accomplishing something.
Feb 16, 2020 15:25:47 GMT 10
frostbite: Are you building on your own, or have a trusty assistant?
Feb 17, 2020 15:44:42 GMT 10
SA Hunter: Mainly on my own - the young fella helps whenever he comes out.
Feb 17, 2020 17:10:22 GMT 10
steve: if you want up to date news on that virus go to larry hannigans web page he has plenty there 2 look at
Feb 18, 2020 8:50:36 GMT 10
SA Hunter: Welcome bugsyboy & pikelet.
Feb 19, 2020 16:41:12 GMT 10
Joey: A couple of UNI's in Aust are so desperate to get their cashed up Chinese students back on campus that they are offering to pay them $1400 cash for them to travel to a third country for the 14 days before being allowed into Aust
Feb 21, 2020 19:54:05 GMT 10
Joey: This is a loophole they discovered in the gov's ban on direct flights from China and now they must spent 14 days in Thailand or another country that has yet to ban flights from China and are paying for their hotels/spending
Feb 21, 2020 19:55:27 GMT 10
SA Hunter: When you consider most of their income comes from Chinese students, no wonder they will do whatever they can to have them enrolled - I mean, money is more important that people's safety.
Feb 21, 2020 21:22:25 GMT 10
Joey: Printing manuals: How do you pick what you want the print from all the manuals avail online, considering most are US based eg: plants/map reading/etc so that it's relevant to Aust?
Feb 24, 2020 13:02:03 GMT 10
SA Hunter: Hi all - Joey, I generally print the hands on manuals, even gardening & hunting. If it's too specific to US, downloaded for a read later.
Feb 24, 2020 18:44:44 GMT 10
This approach is so desperate to get pigs in the ground as quickly as possible that it makes me wonder if the authorities there fear the disease could mutate to being transmissible to humans. From what I read, that is very, very unlikely ... but panicked officials are capable of all kinds of madness it seems.
But like said, if the situation is desperate enough, many times desperate measures are required. And quite frankly we don't know, or may never know the details of the seriousness involved. So quite frankly I'm not going to criticize not knowing these details. And to a point glad they seem on the ball to deal with the issue.
But then we also don't know the details of whether they are ahead of the crisis, on time with measures, or behind the danger of the issue. Again as horrible as things look, we can only hope they are on time or ahead of the crisis with what ever actions are necessary. I hope more accurate details come to light eventually.
My 5 cents of opinion.
The farther north you go, the more things that can and will eat you and your horse. Grandpa Gilbert Keep your stick on the ice. Red Green
They are behind the curve and trying to catch up. I don't even think this is just about disease containment anymore. I think it may be about disposing of all the soon to die pigs before they die in the actual piggeries and create problems for human disease outbreaks. Its rough but fast. It is a pity that they are not consuming the pigs at huge BBQ's. They are safe to eat even when infected. Lots of people here in Oz are right now eating ILT infected chicken meat.
Here we would put them through a race and shoot them. But its a lot slower doing it that way; even if you have a lot of races operating at the pit. The problem then becomes the dead bodies pile up below the race so there is extra work/delays in leveling the corpse heaps in the pit and/or moving the races around. Live animals in a pit effectively distribute themselves evenly. A lot of those pigs will be dying from internal injuries after falling into the pits and or thirst because I reckon it'll take many days before the pit is dozed flat.
I also note it is an unlined pit so when all those pigs decompose the juices are going to either move into the groundwater or seep out somewhere down-hill. Or if there is heavy rain it can heave the ground up like an earthquake as the pressure of decomposition gas rises to the surface of the ground. I've seen what happens to big sheep/cattle disposal pits after bush-fires (but nowhere near the size of the Chinese one in the video) ... putrefaction at that scale produces a LOT of fetid juice and gas.
I have read that in a previous disease outbreak a few years ago they were dumping fuel in the pits and burning them alive. Looks like they are still at it. Sucks to be livestock in China.
There is something really wrong with the people involved in this. Those doing it and those filming it. The actual disease management benefit of this insanity is zero.
I thought twice before putting this link in ... but I did to demonstrate how people are capable of extreme brutality when it is 'officially sanctioned' or thought 'necessary'. It's not a big leap from doing this to animals to liquidating multitudes of people under the right conditions. WARNING : very graphic content. www.kinderworld.org/videos/meat-industry/pigs-burned-alive-china/
Last Edit: Jun 2, 2019 17:42:38 GMT 10 by spinifex