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Post by Joey on Aug 19, 2019 9:48:57 GMT 10
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Post by norseman on Aug 19, 2019 13:56:51 GMT 10
The Middle East is a powerful propaganda tool for dikkhead Politicians, like even better than all their False Flag Operations combined! The real threat for Australia is China!
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Post by frostbite on Aug 19, 2019 16:02:29 GMT 10
Our involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan provided valuable experience for the ADF. The real threat though is China and the lack of backbones in Canberra
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Post by SA Hunter on Aug 19, 2019 18:42:11 GMT 10
Oil in Iraq, dirt in Afghanistan.
What else is there to fight for?
If we aren't careful, the rise of ISIS in SE Asia and the overbearing influence of that northern dragon will catch us unaware ( well, the Govt anyway ). Problem is, we are too scared to upset China, even offend it. The military is well aware of the threat from China and other northern neighbours, but can't upset our largest trading partner now can we.I mean, if we do, no more kick backs.
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Post by spinifex on Aug 19, 2019 18:43:47 GMT 10
Ok. Educate me. I'm not sure how dodging IED's planted by goat herders and while doing surveillance patrols will help when our forces are on the receiving end of a sustained air and sea campaign? Chasing goat herders seems a bit different to being chased by an Su33 with cluster munitions or AH with FLIR, guided missiles, rockets and automatic cannon.
I worry our ADF has been fitted out for, and drifted into, being a counter insurgency/occupying force rather than a machine focused on going up against a properly tooled up professional adversary with limitless resources of people power and military production.
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Post by frostbite on Aug 19, 2019 19:24:43 GMT 10
Combat experience, Spinifex, against a tough and resourceful enemy who demonstrate the ability to adapt and improvise. Not all of them were goat herders, many were professional soldiers with a wealth of experience from other conflicts and prepared to stand and fight.. Excellent experience for our troops, because the simple fact is wars are still only won by boots on the ground.
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Post by SA Hunter on Aug 19, 2019 19:36:40 GMT 10
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Post by frostbite on Aug 19, 2019 19:44:47 GMT 10
I love TS. It usually means free US rat packs for me.
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Post by Joey on Aug 19, 2019 19:52:11 GMT 10
I love TS. It usually means free US rat packs for me. I posted up on facebook groups and even gumtree chasing if anyone managed to score any US rats 
Unfortunately, most of the combat experience learnt in the ME will be gone by the time anything happens with China through most of the soldiers who served over there would of left the ADF by the time anything kicks off
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Post by frostbite on Aug 19, 2019 19:58:40 GMT 10
I'm still in contact with a young lady who supports my rat pack habit. She's moving to Sydney soon, so collecting them will be much easier. She's the last contact I have currently serving. The boil in the bag feature is still cr@p, never seem to get hot enough, but the jerky is nice.
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Post by spinifex on Aug 20, 2019 8:57:35 GMT 10
Combat experience, Spinifex, against a tough and resourceful enemy who demonstrate the ability to adapt and improvise. Not all of them were goat herders, many were professional soldiers with a wealth of experience from other conflicts and prepared to stand and fight.. Excellent experience for our troops, because the simple fact is wars are still only won by boots on the ground. Well if boots on the ground are the only thing that wins wars ... we really are boned. (It also doesn't explain Japanese capitulation in 1945.) China has 2,500 000 pairs of boots in their military right now. That is without a wartime mobilisation. The ADF appears to have 100 000 including reserves. It seems one of few benefits of our people fighting goat herders might be that they may have picked up some tricks on how to become effective sheep herders in the event of a full blown occupation by a foreign power. Based on how well the goat herders are going at ridding their country of infidels ... blowing the odd thing up here and there and launching ambushes on patrols doesn't achieve much. It makes a few children fatherless or motherless. Bereaves a few mothers and fathers. Creates some business for the makers of prosthetic limbs. |
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Post by frostbite on Aug 20, 2019 9:10:28 GMT 10
It defeated the Americans in Vietnam, it's defeated the Russians (and probably the Coalition of the Willing as well) in Afghanistan.
You don't have to outfight the enemy, just outlast them.
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Post by spinifex on Aug 20, 2019 18:40:39 GMT 10
I agree with the 'outlast them' in the contexts you point out.
Our possible situation is different to Vietnam and Afstan. Any invader Oz faces will find it really easy to identify the opposition. They wont come here to 'occupy' they'll come here to 'settle'. They have the numbers to do it. And I doubt they'd have many qualms about setting up an extensive ethnic cleansing operation. Exactly how is a credible resistance a'la Vietnam is meant to be sustained in the face of that? We don't have supply lines through porous borders with neighboring friendlies. Probably a reasonable comparison could be what happened to the Native Americans or Rhodesians. And is currently happening to South Africa.
When it comes to our national defence having the capability to inflict assured mass destruction on a invaders homeland will make anyone think real hard about the cost:benefit ratio.
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Post by frostbite on Aug 20, 2019 19:01:41 GMT 10
Ah, all those foreign settlers ripe for slaughter by small hit and run teams. Sorta like Rhodesia in reverse.
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Post by spinifex on Aug 20, 2019 19:13:23 GMT 10
heh, heh, heh ... I just realised something.
I see this issue through the prism of being a farmer.
We battle threatening multitudes as part of core-business. Every crop defence operation we run is an exercise in mass destruction using chemical and biological agents and fire en-mass.
When we have a snail problem we burn and roll entire paddocks ... we don't worry about the 'friendlies' that go up in smoke or get crushed.
Aphids? No worries ... organophosphate death from above! Too bad ladybugs and Lacewings.
Mice plague? Broadacre applications of tons of poison pellets! Too bad native animals.
Yes-sir-ee Bob. We deal in death. We get results. And because of that ... everyone else gets enough to eat.
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Post by spinifex on Aug 21, 2019 19:10:49 GMT 10
Attack Helicopter v ground forces. (not for the squeamish) I hope the ADF has huge stockpile of MPADS. We'll need them in the event of an invasion by a properly tooled up military. Well worth watching the whole thing - plenty to learn.
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Post by frostbite on Aug 21, 2019 20:27:26 GMT 10
The US Navy Seals suffered their greatest loss in a single incident when the helicopter they were in was shot down by an illiterate goat herder with an RPG. 38 killed, 25 of whom were highly trained Seals.
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Post by SA Hunter on Aug 21, 2019 22:16:27 GMT 10
Never underestimate your enemy!
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