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Feb 8, 2014 12:42:21 GMT 10
Post by wolfstar on Feb 8, 2014 12:42:21 GMT 10
ok, im not sure if this has been approached here, but i read something today that i thought was worth talking about. Keeping Your Preparation Secret: 5 Ways To Keep Lowlife Scum Off Your Doorstep
and thought i would point out a few flaws i noticed... ". Are you a fan of a certain brand of firearm? Put a bumper sticker of that gun manufacturer’s logo on your car. All of these things may seem like minor issues...." now, think about this for a second, with how many people go recreational shooting, and hunting etc, would YOU try to forcibly enter the house where unknown quantity of weapons are housed? or would you rather go for an easier target (i know which I would do! ) " If you buy a cart full of canned goods and the cashier asks if you’re planning for World War III, don’t take the bait. Oftentimes, store clerks and low level store employees act as tipsters to higher level people." now this one i have 2 ways to deal with 1/ dont buy in such huge quantities!!!! i generally buy between 7 and 10 cans per week, even though i rarely eat them except in winter. meaning i buy up to 520 cans per year. buying 10 and under is FAR less likely to attract attention than buying a crapload. 2/ make a joke of it. too many preppers are too serious about it. if the cashier asks if youre preparing for ww3, laugh it off, say the koreans are getting a little twitchy etc. then say youre actually stocking up because you like to go camping a lot. easy, if you say it with a laugh and a smile, theyre far less likely to disbelieve it, start talking about camping and fishing locations. quick way to throw the focus off your stashing! apart from that, i agree mostly, but as i said, think that some people get overly suspicious. you can turn the gps off on your phone, meaning it doesnt log it. period. or use an actual camera. not that hard. what are you guys/girls thoughts?  |
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Post by shinester on Feb 9, 2014 10:55:25 GMT 10
How do you buy 24x 10kg bags of rice that are on special. Easy, you buy a few at a time with cash. Drop in car, go back in, go to another check out, buy your other shopping at the same time or go through the self serve. Most people won't give a dam and most and emphasize it, MOST importantly not acting weirdly, strangely, or at all out of place.
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Post by Ausprep on Feb 9, 2014 19:30:37 GMT 10
I wouldn't advertise the fact that im a firearm owner or user.
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Feb 9, 2014 19:36:16 GMT 10
Post by wolfstar on Feb 9, 2014 19:36:16 GMT 10
its not as common here as in america i have noticed tbh. still...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2014 7:03:13 GMT 10
Yes it is different for us in Australia, we should not advertise that we are preppers! We need to watch who we share with and do not show anyone your preps or weapons!! And keep your BOL secret from everyone!! It's up to you who you share with,or help, but again keep your preps secure!!!! Friends and neighbors can turn nasty if there family is desperate enough!!! So trust no one!!! Even family can give away your secrets just by accident!! or a few drinks..LOL.. But, you see what I mean?  |
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Feb 10, 2014 7:38:27 GMT 10
Post by wolfstar on Feb 10, 2014 7:38:27 GMT 10
Idk, i guess im coming at it from a different angle, something like a bumper sticker says to the govt "guns inside,pay attention for future seizure" To potential thieves its "guns inside, oh hell no, im not getting my a$$ shot!" Lol, so i guess it is a pro and a con in the one shot.
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Post by SA Hunter on Feb 10, 2014 10:56:13 GMT 10
Yes it is different for us in Australia, we should not advertise that we are preppers! We need to watch who we share with and do not show anyone your preps or weapons!! And keep your BOL secret from everyone!! It's up to you who you share with,or help, but again keep your preps secure!!!! Friends and neighbors can turn nasty if there family is desperate enough!!! So trust no one!!! Even family can give away your secrets just by accident!! or a few drinks..LOL.. But, you see what I mean? Good points Gaz Preparing is not at all a common theme here as it is in the US. We have also been VERY lucky that we have not really had any disasters on a large scale (not to discount the fires in Vic, Qld floods etc). So it's always been easy to go to the shops and buy what we need. Trust only a few - I have immediate family members that if they knew I had a few tins put aside, if the shtf, they would be round here with their lowlife friends trying to take what they can. The stepdaughter lives away from home, and what I have done is given her a print out from the govt recomending everyone has a 2 week emergency supply of food - so I told her we had one, and that we will have one for her too. Then when that's all used up, there's no more for any of us!! |
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Feb 10, 2014 11:17:49 GMT 10
Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2014 11:17:49 GMT 10
Idk, i guess im coming at it from a different angle, something like a bumper sticker says to the govt "guns inside,pay attention for future seizure" To potential thieves its "guns inside, oh hell no, im not getting my a$$ shot!" Lol, so i guess it is a pro and a con in the one shot. Yes Wolf, I understand what you meant. But if people know you have guns, they will try and take them....well the really bad ones anyway!! Better to keep what you have too yourself! And the criminals will rob you if they know you have guns now!! they are worth a fortune on the black-market!! So if TSHTF it will be even worse!!  |
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Feb 10, 2014 11:20:34 GMT 10
Post by wolfstar on Feb 10, 2014 11:20:34 GMT 10
good approach Jay! im very much for the "need to know" approach, and people dont need to know. even loved ones. only you here know i prep, and then, only one knows my identity. they are like two distinctly separate parts of my life. i intend to keep it that way. that said, i also do the same, recommend people have a couple of weeks worth of food in the cupboard and bottled water and a med kit, after Yasi and local floods, suddenly im not a dipstick for saying it  the way i say it, 2 weeks are normally enough for emergency services to get you aid, otherwise, its enough to severely prolong your survival! funny that, 2 weeks and your following the govts advice, more and suddenly youre nuts. go figure, lol |
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Feb 10, 2014 11:33:11 GMT 10
Post by wolfstar on Feb 10, 2014 11:33:11 GMT 10
Idk, i guess im coming at it from a different angle, something like a bumper sticker says to the govt "guns inside,pay attention for future seizure" To potential thieves its "guns inside, oh hell no, im not getting my a$$ shot!" Lol, so i guess it is a pro and a con in the one shot. Yes Wolf, I understand what you meant. But if people know you have guns, they will try and take them....well the really bad ones anyway!! Better to keep what you have too yourself! And the criminals will rob you if they know you have guns now!! they are worth a fortune on the black-market!! So if TSHTF it will be even worse!! i honestly dont know if i agree with you or not, knowing what i know, most criminals will stay the f away from people with reasonable means to defend themselves. yes they are worth a lot, but worth your life? most criminals are not nearly as dumb as the rest of us might imagine. and even the dumb ones know guns = the odds of dying increase exponentially, making that target no longer worth while. look at it like a lion choosing a target, do you go for the zebra with very little real defense, or try fot the water buffalo, who has bigger reward but much greater risk? usually when the choice is presented (like when migrations occur) they go for the zebra. simply because theyre far less likely to be mauled or indeed killed. and predators usually consider the same things when choosing victims. always target the weakest. NEVER the strongest. btw, they may rob you if they think youre not home for profit, but when looking for resources or food for survival, guns just make a target not worthwhile compared with their neighbours, just as a good guard dog does! you dont see ppl advising against having a guard dog, but they present very similar risks to potential attackers/raiders. btw, it just struck me, i wonder if whoever wrote that article actually wants others to be much more attractive targets than they are? make them into decoys as such. very little info on the net from america is good advise for here. i drive down the street (being in a rural community) and half of the cars are 4wd's, and well over half of them have hunting racks, etc. trust me, gun stickers draw very little attention in the bush, lol. and out here, every b and e i have seen or heard about, the victim was not a gun owner at all. usually the elderly, or when ppl are on holidays. ie, easy targets. |
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Feb 10, 2014 17:22:38 GMT 10
Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2014 17:22:38 GMT 10
Yes Wolf, I understand what you meant. But if people know you have guns, they will try and take them....well the really bad ones anyway!! Better to keep what you have too yourself! And the criminals will rob you if they know you have guns now!! they are worth a fortune on the black-market!! So if TSHTF it will be even worse!! i honestly dont know if i agree with you or not, knowing what i know, most criminals will stay the f away from people with reasonable means to defend themselves. yes they are worth a lot, but worth your life? most criminals are not nearly as dumb as the rest of us might imagine. and even the dumb ones know guns = the odds of dying increase exponentially, making that target no longer worth while. look at it like a lion choosing a target, do you go for the zebra with very little real defense, or try fot the water buffalo, who has bigger reward but much greater risk? usually when the choice is presented (like when migrations occur) they go for the zebra. simply because theyre far less likely to be mauled or indeed killed. and predators usually consider the same things when choosing victims. always target the weakest. NEVER the strongest. btw, they may rob you if they think youre not home for profit, but when looking for resources or food for survival, guns just make a target not worthwhile compared with their neighbours, just as a good guard dog does! you dont see ppl advising against having a guard dog, but they present very similar risks to potential attackers/raiders. btw, it just struck me, i wonder if whoever wrote that article actually wants others to be much more attractive targets than they are? make them into decoys as such. very little info on the net from america is good advise for here. i drive down the street (being in a rural community) and half of the cars are 4wd's, and well over half of them have hunting racks, etc. trust me, gun stickers draw very little attention in the bush, lol. and out here, every b and e i have seen or heard about, the victim was not a gun owner at all. usually the elderly, or when ppl are on holidays. ie, easy targets. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Believe it or not Wolf, but I do understand where you are coming from!! The reality for registered shooters is, We must have our weapons locked in a gun safe, with the bolt removed or a trigger guard! Ammunition must be locked in a separate storage area! So if someone breaks in to our home, I have no way of getting a firearm to defend my self in time!! Unless I am sitting at the table cleaning it at the time! WTSHTF, well that is a different scenario!!! And then God help anyone who tries!!! |
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Feb 11, 2014 9:39:53 GMT 10
Post by wolfstar on Feb 11, 2014 9:39:53 GMT 10
thats exactly it Gaz, lol, if the shtf, people would KNOW that anyone who has guns will be rather trigger happy, lol. still, as i said, thats just the positive aspect, the negative is that the govt would know (but i guess they would anyhow from the gun register?) exactly who has guns, so who to look for to seize weapons *shrugs* i guess its a matter of choosing risks vs benefits.
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Post by shinester on Feb 11, 2014 11:22:18 GMT 10
Frankly I'd rather people not know until it's too late that I'm armed, and how I'm armed. Close and trusted friends are a little different, I want to encourage them into shooting so that they might be an asset you can encourage into putting away a little food.
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Post by pheniox17 on Feb 11, 2014 14:35:13 GMT 10
opsec.... is a funny topic
90% of the time your own judgement is fine
I seen a post here advertising you own firearms, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD DONT, firearms are highly sort after in the black market, a class H firearm is extremely valuable, and advertising glock or s&w you're asking to be robbed
with food purchases, options go on and on, your starting a "store" or had a little extra cash and we consume a lot of it... it's not uncommon to see a massive amount of long term foods in trolleys, worrys you that much then multiple trips or use your better half... shops don't really care, and they don't know where you live... unless they are a friend then use a different register or self service
be careful what you tell people, in Australia we are very lucky as preppers as we don't have the same security concerns as the US, most ozzies will goto a evac centre... so in general we are quite safe
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Post by Big Ted on Feb 12, 2014 19:37:19 GMT 10
It does not matter if you make it known to the World that you own guns, these days most of the robbers stealing weapons from law abiding firearms owners have received their information from police licensing division. A few thousand in a brown paper bag, and hey presto.........instant burglary targets! NSW is very bad for leaked storage information.
If someone has posted on here that they own all sorts of firearms how on earth are they going to get the name and address of the individual posting? The Forum Owner will not be giving out information and I don't think it's even a requirement to put one's real name on here when signing up. The real worry is in the Real world where prying eyes are cast about and money is changing hands for addresses.
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Feb 12, 2014 19:41:34 GMT 10
Post by Big Ted on Feb 12, 2014 19:41:34 GMT 10
opsec.... is a funny topic I seen a post here advertising you own firearms, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD DONT, firearms are highly sort after in the black market, a class H firearm is extremely valuable, and advertising glock or s&w you're asking to be robbed I seen one too mate. This IS interesting indeed. Guilty. ausprep.com/thread/590/class-firearm-issue firearm: s&w m&p calabre: .40s&w Posted by pheniox17 3 hours ago now I have autocorrect age: 100 rounds issue, shavings of unknown metal in the underside of the slide, assumption is brass thoughts?? to add insult a "firearms expert" is claiming it's common on all semi auto s&w and h&k pistols, I'm calling bull shit purely from a engineering point of view what's your thoughts on this issue... |
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Post by Big Ted on Feb 12, 2014 19:49:08 GMT 10
Apart from this being a little funny as you have done yourself what you have said not to..........I dont think it's a bad thing at all that you have made it known that you have semi auto Handguns. No issue at all. I am certain that your Handgun storage address can not be obtained off this website, hence you are safe and don't need to keep it a secret. Having a sign on your car saying " I have handguns " now that would be a problem, but just talking about issues you have with the guns themselves on here is meaningless.
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Feb 12, 2014 20:37:21 GMT 10
Post by pheniox17 on Feb 12, 2014 20:37:21 GMT 10
actually I don't own any semi auto hand guns, the question came up in a American forum and I was trying to get my head around the cause, as I really like the m&p series firearms, and do plan on getting one myself oh just to.clear things up, your more than.welcome to come and visit me, I will have a cold rum and coke, the thing is, have to find me first  so both counts opsec maintained (I hope) but the firearm question is to remove a worry... investing the time and the cash to get a class h and the firearm.. the outlay I want to do it right, the limits on purchasing (the 1 in your first year in qld) any concern, rings many alarm bells, and I want my first hand gun to be a enjoyable experience, not a too hard basket heap of junk that I wasted a lot of time and cash in getting, knowing me I wouldn't get a replacement |
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Feb 12, 2014 21:32:29 GMT 10
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Post by Big Ted on Feb 12, 2014 21:32:29 GMT 10
Ah ok then Cool.
Hk's are brilliant so are berettas.
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Post by sentinel on Mar 14, 2014 21:50:09 GMT 10
I recall seeing an email floating around that was sent to me about a young girls innocent 'chat-room' talk with another young girl. This occurred over a period of months. One night at their home there was a knock on the door and there were a couple of uniformed cops there. They introduced them selves and asked to come in - they then outlined the families movements for each family member each day that consisted of regular activities and movements. They then showed a very shocked M&D the copy of the 'chat-room' transcripts - each tiny bit of information gradually built up a bigger picture that showed all the families regular activities and movements. This incident did have a happy ending. Many do not.
The moral of the story is be very careful what you post on line for all the world to see - you can trace an IP address to a reasonable sized location if you access the right program - some people are also very good at building profiles and will gather information over months - even longer in some cases.
So my advice is to keep getting ready but stay way, way under the radar, I could not prepare to the level that I have done up here if I still lived down south - too many people knew too much about me. Up here I am a sheeple and I am trying to look like one of the masses. We don't mix in with the local 'clicky' groups. Those we do have as friends are trusted - but have no idea what we have or do.
Our first line of defence is anonymity. We do not advertise - if there is a blackout - we just put on a couple of emergency solar ones.
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the way i say it, 2 weeks are normally enough for emergency services to get you aid, otherwise, its enough to severely prolong your survival! funny that, 2 weeks and your following the govts advice, more and suddenly youre nuts. go figure, lol
